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Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by jbeam »

hemloc_io wrote: post #436
alecst wrote: post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

Vaxed and pro-vax, but I'm pretty opposed to this policy out of NYC. (And I suspect other cities soon). I'm personally a bit of a privacy nut so take that as you will, but open to changing my mind. To have a different take than other people, I just don't know if this precedent is really one that we want to start, particularly if you are liberal/leftist. For e.g. let's say we're at the beginning of the HIV epidemic, a…

You are not going to contract HIV from someone by standing in the same room as them. That is a very key difference.

There is plenty of discrimination among gay men when it comes to the possibility of contracting HIV, i.e. sexually. Many will require their partners to be on PrEP.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by myrandomcomment »

myrandomcomment wrote: post #521
timr wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…

I have been in Manhattan for the last week with my family. I have seen 10+ free vaccinations locations. If you want to get vaccinated you can, no matter what your means. Not being vaccinated put the risk on the kids, which is unconscionable.

So I was down voted in this. Let me make this clear...if you are the irrational anti-science anti-vaccine person and have the right to down vote please do so, but have the stones to post a reply saying it so the rest of us can add you to the ignore file.

Get vaccinated. If you do not for other then a real medical reason you are a terrible person that might just cause the death of a young child. Fuck you.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by shinyamagami »

clukic wrote: post #197

Vaccine requirements have been in place for decades. For pre-K in NYC kids need shots for PCV and Hib. For kindergarten they need more shots: Hep B, Polio, Chickenpox, and Measles, Mumps and Rubella. Going to middle school? Then you'll need more shots, the TDAP and meningococcal conjugate. These are all vaccine requirements. Is it an invasion or privacy to demand children's records? Is it the nanny state? We could go…

If the amount of taking vaccines, drugs, and paying medical services determine our good health, people in the US would be the healthiest ones, and they are not... Is it because they don't take many or much enough?

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by shinyamagami »

moksly wrote: post #768
15155 wrote: post #427

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"Precious resources" - the narrative was that the resources _were_ precious and we needed "two weeks to slow the spread." Why are these resources somehow "precious" two years later? Where was the ventilator production? Staffing? If this were such a serious issue, what have we been doing?

The previous resources isn’t the ventilators themselves anymore, it’s hospital beds and healthcare staff. Especially healthcare staff. We’re almost done with the restrictions here in Denmark. You know why? Because people got vaccinated and because we required proof of a test or vaccination to keep the spread down while we were building herd immunity. It’ll be rich when all that effort was wasted because some new stra…

Why wouldn't Danish stay prepared for the next dangerous viruses by keeping their society shut down?

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by Daishiman »

Zpalmtree wrote: post #983
Daishiman wrote: post #184

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I'm sorry but the whole "let people make their own decisions" is BS. Making epidemiological decisions isn't something that most people are qualified to do. I have seen the takes from random people and 99% of them are abject garbage.

It's a good thing you know what the right takes are, though.

The exact point is that we don't know, but if we're going to discuss who's got good takes and who doesn't, I want that to be an informed debate between informed people looking for constructive arguments based on data, not internet randos.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by ragingrobot »

nostromo wrote: post #49
ragingrobot wrote: post #6

Without getting into the whole vaccine thing... People need to start protesting with their wallets. People need to talk less and act more. I work in NYC, in an "essential" service. In the beginning myself and other workers were threatened with discipline if we did not show up for work. We were told to go straight home, and stay inside, and do as little as necessary otherwise. Now, this is easy for me, as I am single…

As a former New Yorker... people should vote with their wallets and their feet . New York has become a pretty miserable place to live. And for the privilege of living in a miserable place you pay an exorbitant amount.

I think that exorbitant cost of living is a large part of what makes it miserable. That and overcrowding.

You can get around town really without the cost of a car. For a little time and $3 you can go damned near anywhere in the city (and let's admit: with traffic and the wrong time of day, the subway can come in at a shorter ride than a taxi). How many places in the US can you do that?

Remote working may not make that such a big deal, but then you add entertainment and other activities. Fix the two major issues and maybe a good City government, and it could be far from miserable.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by mthoms »

reducesuffering wrote: post #817
mthoms wrote: post #54

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Your rights end when exercising them endangers my life and the lives of my family. That’s also a basic tenet of civil society (see traffic laws for example).

So you don't have the right to drive a car, right?

I'm not sure what point you're making.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by mthoms »

bsagdiyev wrote: post #75
mthoms wrote: post #54

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Your rights end when exercising them endangers my life and the lives of my family. That’s also a basic tenet of civil society (see traffic laws for example).

But if you’re vaccinated then you’re not at risk? I say as a vaccinated person.

If you're vaccinated you're at less risk, not zero risk.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by lodi »

mrfusion wrote: post #230

A bit off topic but you know what’s really jarring for me? For the past ten years I’ve agreed with the majority on hacker news on almost every issue. Software patents, voting rights, who knows what else. Everyone seemed to just find the right answer and it made sense. Then all of a sudden I’m in tiny minority because I believe people should be able to choose what they put in their own bodies. It really feels like a t…

Agreed. And furthermore it's distressing to see hundreds of well-written, good-faith comments downvoted to oblivion for holding the wrong opinion. I thought on hn we downvoted for meta-concerns like being off-topic or ad hominem, and not as a "dislike" button.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

lodi wrote: post #999
mrfusion wrote: post #230

A bit off topic but you know what’s really jarring for me? For the past ten years I’ve agreed with the majority on hacker news on almost every issue. Software patents, voting rights, who knows what else. Everyone seemed to just find the right answer and it made sense. Then all of a sudden I’m in tiny minority because I believe people should be able to choose what they put in their own bodies. It really feels like a t…

Agreed. And furthermore it's distressing to see hundreds of well-written, good-faith comments downvoted to oblivion for holding the wrong opinion. I thought on hn we downvoted for meta-concerns like being off-topic or ad hominem, and not as a "dislike" button.

Its acceptable to downvote to signal "disagree".
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