Sounds like windows 10...
An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content Scanning Technology
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#132I know the privacy approach Apple has been pushing was just marketing, but I didn't care too much because I enjoyed my iPhone and M1 macbook. Because of this decision (and the fact that my iPhone more-or-less facilitates poor habits throughout my life), I'm considering moving completely out of the Apple ecosystem. Does anyone have any recommendations for replacements? * On laptops: I have an X1 carbon extreme running…
On phones: I'm considering a Pixel device with https://calyxos.org/
The main limitations will be the featureset of MicroG (no ~maps~/wearOS/auto). Possible issues with important apps like those for banking.
On cloud: Synology Diskstation is amazing. Only use it through a local VPN though.
edit: maps work (see reply)
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
You should maybe read about the work [0], or just read the rest of what I said. Surrealism has nothing to do with the argument I made, so why do you bring it up? CSAM databases can by necessity not contain novel abuses, because they are novel. In fact, filtering by CSAM databases even indirectly /encourage/ novel abuses because these would not be caught by said filter. Catching CP hoarders does little to help the chi…
> Catching CP hoarders does little to help the children being exploited in the first place This is completely untrue, since hoarders tend to often also be part of groups where images of still unknown abuse circulate. Those images help identify both victims and suspects and in the end help stop abuse.
I sometimes wonder where logic is, if it isn't on HN.
Surely if one takes measures against only existing material, and not production of new, this only encourages appearance of new material.
For evidence you can look up what happened with synthetic cannabinoids, and how much harm they brought.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anyone who engaged in such a discussion with a non-technical person is going to defacto seem like an advocate for child pornography, similar to how advocating for encryption can easily be twisted to being pro-crime. Having said that, there is an enormous amount of misinformation and fear-mongering about a pretty tame change. This seems like so much ado about very close to nothing. a) They optionally scan messaged pho…
I think you are massively under estimating what this change means if you think it is "pretty tame change" Clearly you do not understand the full ramification of what is happening here.
What are the ramifications that I "do not understand"?
I will repeat: It is a very tame change. Were you frantic and delirious when a neural network first identified a dog in your photos? Isn't that the slippery slope to it reporting you to the authorities for something bong shaped?
Speaking of which, every bit of fear mongering relies upon a slippery slope fallacy. What is clearly a PR move is somehow actually the machinations of a massive surveillance network. Why? Why would Apple do that?
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#135Disappointing. While moderating CP distribution and storage is obviously the right thing to do, I do not think this approach will be a worthwhile endeavor for apple and governments. Let me explain: imagine you are bad guy with bad stuff on your iphone, and you hear apple will be scanning your phone. What is the next logical thing you would do? Migrate your stuff to something else, obviously. Encrypting a usb stick do…
It is not the role of infrastructure providers to reach into private, on device content. That is like the USPS opening every letter and scanning what is inside. Even if it's done with machine learning, that is absolutely not okay, no matter what it is for.
Though we were okay with Gmail doing the same because "hey, it's free!".
But I understand your concern here. All our lives are now digitalised and maybe stored forever somewhere and anything you do, even if completely benign, could be considered a crime in some country or even in your own country in a few years from now.
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#136If Apple doesn't change on this my next phone will not be an iPhone. I will dump my iPad, and Apple watch as well. This is complete bullshit. I'm angry. I never thought I'd see "privacy" Apple come out and say we're going to scan your photos on your device, scan you imessages, etc. This is insane.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
They were already doing it on the cloud: https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2020/01/09/apples-scanning-... So now they’re doing it on device too. This feels like it’s putting in place the foundation to scan all offline content.
Thanks for the link, I had assumed that Apple was already doing it on servers (like all other online services providers), which makes the announcement even more terrible. Moving it on device will show 0 improvement to the original goal, while opening a door that quite frankly I never expected Apple to be the one to open (I would have bet on Microsoft).
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From what I understand, you can use Linux on the M1 now, so at least as a stopgap. For nas, synology is always a good brand.
Linux on M1 isn't ready yet for daily use, but we're working on it. Expect things to move pretty quickly in the next few months.
Link?
Re: An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content Scanning Technology
#139Disappointing. While moderating CP distribution and storage is obviously the right thing to do, I do not think this approach will be a worthwhile endeavor for apple and governments. Let me explain: imagine you are bad guy with bad stuff on your iphone, and you hear apple will be scanning your phone. What is the next logical thing you would do? Migrate your stuff to something else, obviously. Encrypting a usb stick do…
It is not the role of infrastructure providers to reach into private, on device content. That is like the USPS opening every letter and scanning what is inside. Even if it's done with machine learning, that is absolutely not okay, no matter what it is for.
But the USPS does scan every letter (and package for that matter) for things like weapons and anthrax.
Don't think the US is taking a hard-line stance here. If it were possible to non-destructively scan mail for CP they absolutely would.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
"They're going to scan your phone and probably have someone review any photos with a lot of human flesh in them" would be enough to get a lot of non-technical users to take notice. That would get a lot of people nervous. Let alone anyone smart who thinks through the implications here of how far the line is being pushed on how public your phone is.
It would, but luckily that's not what's happening
Go read the announcement, the "CSAM detection" heading [0]. It is exactly what they are doing.
Although they're assuring us that they don't make mistakes. The technical term for that is either going to be "blatant deception" or "delusion". Apple are impressive but they haven't developed a tech that can't make mistakes.