For anyone who finds words and etymology fascinating, I highly recommend John McWhorter's podcast, Lexicon Valley.
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#22For anyone who finds words and etymology fascinating, I highly recommend John McWhorter's podcast, Lexicon Valley.
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#23For anyone who finds words and etymology fascinating, I highly recommend John McWhorter's podcast, Lexicon Valley.
I loved History of English, but beware it is not brief.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Spanish conejo (rhymes with coney) is rabbit. Interesting how we’re still slowly loosing cognates from our shared latin roots. Edit: I may be assuming an incorrect pronunciation of coney. Even as a native speaker English sucks.
You are; coney in English generally has a long e sound at the end (like saying the letter 'e'), not a long a sound (like saying the letter 'a'), so it wouldn't be the same or rhyme with the first two syllables of conejo (which has the long a sound in the second syllable). Tangent, but in line with what others have commented, American English tends to pronounce the first syllable with a long o (like saying the letter…
> conejo (which has the long a sound in the second syllable).
The Spanish word is pronounced more like "koh-neh-hoh" (or [ko'neho] in IPA), no "long a" ([ei] in IPA) there. The English "long vowels" (diphthongs really: a combination of two vowel sounds) would be written with two letters in Spanish (and IPA).
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#25> Perhaps because this is a book about language’s colloquial use, the Americanisms within seem more noticeable than in other tomes originating on the opposite side of the Atlantic. For example, when discussing the past tense of the verb so elegantly deployed in the lavatories at Trisha’s, McWhorter asserts that the form of the verb that rhymes with ‘bat’ seems affected or ‘arch’. In this country we might associate ‘arch’ with a waspish anecdote by Noël Coward, but not, I think, with tales of self-foulage that feature a particular past participle.
I'm afraid to say that I have literally no idea what word that rhymes with 'bat' is referred to here, nor what is meant by 'arch'! Can anyone help explain this to me (ideally in en-gb!)
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#26> Perhaps because this is a book about language’s colloquial use, the Americanisms within seem more noticeable than in other tomes originating on the opposite side of the Atlantic. For example, when discussing the past tense of the verb so elegantly deployed in the lavatories at Trisha’s, McWhorter asserts that the form of the verb that rhymes with ‘bat’ seems affected or ‘arch’. In this country we might associate ‘a…
I think it's 'shat' and 'shart'?
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are; coney in English generally has a long e sound at the end (like saying the letter 'e'), not a long a sound (like saying the letter 'a'), so it wouldn't be the same or rhyme with the first two syllables of conejo (which has the long a sound in the second syllable). Tangent, but in line with what others have commented, American English tends to pronounce the first syllable with a long o (like saying the letter…
> conejo (which has the long a sound in the second syllable). The Spanish word is pronounced more like "koh-neh-hoh" (or [ko'neho] in IPA), no "long a" ([ei] in IPA) there. The English "long vowels" (diphthongs really: a combination of two vowel sounds) would be written with two letters in Spanish (and IPA).
> The English "long vowels" (diphthongs really: a combination of two vowel sounds) would be written with two letters in Spanish (and IPA).
Three out of five are diphthongs. "Long E" is /i/. "Long u" is /u/.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which is funny because coney used to be pronounced more like cunny and was deliberately pronounced coney to get away from the vulgar associations.
> coney used to be pronounced more like cunny That's still the only pronunciation I know. Rhymes with, and orthographically identical to, "money". (And "honey".)
and bunny!
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#29> Perhaps because this is a book about language’s colloquial use, the Americanisms within seem more noticeable than in other tomes originating on the opposite side of the Atlantic. For example, when discussing the past tense of the verb so elegantly deployed in the lavatories at Trisha’s, McWhorter asserts that the form of the verb that rhymes with ‘bat’ seems affected or ‘arch’. In this country we might associate ‘a…
Shat, though I notice Americans tend to use shit as both present and past tense.
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#30> the word whose usage is considered so offensive that it has caused the decline of its unfortunate near-homophone ‘niggardly’ That's not exactly a unique phenomenon. For example, it's how "rabbit" replaced "coney".
Which is funny because coney used to be pronounced more like cunny and was deliberately pronounced coney to get away from the vulgar associations.
The other pronunciation diversion I think of is how "teat" is "tit" but is now pronounced "teet".