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Ivermectin Systematic Study: Inconclusive

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Post by stevespang »

bississippi wrote: post #10

I posted this previously but HN moderated my personal story. —> Story of how I came close to losing my life and how Ivermectin saved me. Ivermectin just saved my life. I woke up with thick mucous and blood that I couldn’t extricate or cough up and called my doctor and the hospital. They threw up their hands and said there is nothing we can do, monitor your saturation levels and let us know if you feel faint. And with…

. . . I was put in touch with one of FLCCC doctors who immediately asked me to take Ivermectin and prescribed a steroid to ease my respiratory issue. 6 hours has passed, the symptoms started to stabilize and reverse.

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Post by peter422 »

bississippi wrote: post #10

I posted this previously but HN moderated my personal story. —> Story of how I came close to losing my life and how Ivermectin saved me. Ivermectin just saved my life. I woke up with thick mucous and blood that I couldn’t extricate or cough up and called my doctor and the hospital. They threw up their hands and said there is nothing we can do, monitor your saturation levels and let us know if you feel faint. And with…

Are steroids not known to be an actually effective treatment for Covid? Are you just trolling?

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Post by SailingSperm »

MilnerRoute wrote: post #20
SailingSperm wrote: post #8

For some balance -- [1]excerpts from abstract " Background: Repurposed medicines may have a role against the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The antiparasitic ivermectin, with antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties, has now been tested in numerous clinical trials." " Conclusions: Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical cour…

The Wall Street Journal actually published a follow-up to that "Also related" link, with the headline "Writers Missed Ivermectin Study Retraction (Subhed: "We have egg on our faces.") https://www.wsj.com/articles/egyptian-ivermectin-study-retra...

The link you provided still stands behind the main claim... - "We retract the part of our article that relied on the data from Dr. Elgazzar’s study. But the broader point stands: There’s strong evidence of ivermectin’s efficacy in treating Covid-19."

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Post by NomeChomsky »

MilnerRoute wrote: post #5
MilnerRoute wrote: post #3

The paper's actual headline is different than the one on the submitted link. (And I'm not sure it accurately reflects the last line of this paper.) "Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized trials."

Another quote from this paper: "Ivermectin showed no evidence of an effect on increasing or decreasing mortality at 28 days, the most important outcome during this pandemic, neither in inpatients (two studies), outpatients (two studies), or the preventive setting (one study). The certainty for this finding was very low. The same accounts for clinical worsening up to 28 days in an inpatient setting and up to 14 days i…

They chose 14 studies of more than 50 available. Their method for screening studies looks biased towards finding an inconclusive result.

Bear in mind that 'bias' with regard to ivermectin is less likely to come from doctors than it is pharma companies. Doctors stand to gain nothing from the efficacy of ivermectin since it's a generic drug on the market since 1987. Pharma companies have a lot to lose if it's proven effective.

To control for bias one ought to look at larger sample sizes. And each time that happens there's a significant result.

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Post by bississippi »

peter422 wrote: post #22
bississippi wrote: post #10

I posted this previously but HN moderated my personal story. —> Story of how I came close to losing my life and how Ivermectin saved me. Ivermectin just saved my life. I woke up with thick mucous and blood that I couldn’t extricate or cough up and called my doctor and the hospital. They threw up their hands and said there is nothing we can do, monitor your saturation levels and let us know if you feel faint. And with…

Are steroids not known to be an actually effective treatment for Covid? Are you just trolling?

I’m not trolling. Woke up scared to DEATH ! 3 weeks ago to date. blood and mucus in the sink and back of throat. I only had one steroid. All of the treatment was primarily Ivermectin. I am unbelievably lucky to be alive.

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Post by NomeChomsky »

powera wrote: post #14

I've done my own "literature review" [ https://www.notion.so/The-Cure-for-COVID-19-e052c9d829d34bc4... ], and "Inconclusive" is correct. It's astonishing that after 18 months of COVID and 12 months of rumors this type of question is unanswered. So we have one band of Twitterati saying it is the "Crime of the Century" that Ivermectin is not being used, and another band saying you'd have to be an idiot to take horse pi…

The Oxford study is using patients so far down the viral infection it has most certainly been designed to fail. All the evidence suggests ivermectin works best when used early, and Oxford plan to use it on late stage patients.

Funny that - given that Oxford are being funded by the pharma companies to make the vaccine and novel therapies.

Never bite the hand that feeds you and all. I don't know why we are expected to wait for a study from Oxford when it has already been written off by the actual doctors saving lives because of strange doses and late stage patients.

There are already 50+ studies. Nation states are already using ivermectin.

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Post by bississippi »

bississippi wrote: post #25
peter422 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are steroids not known to be an actually effective treatment for Covid? Are you just trolling?

I’m not trolling. Woke up scared to DEATH ! 3 weeks ago to date. blood and mucus in the sink and back of throat. I only had one steroid. All of the treatment was primarily Ivermectin. I am unbelievably lucky to be alive.

Due to lockdowns and remote work I gained unhealthy weight and the morning I woke up with that thickest mucus and blood in my entire life I knew I have become one of those people I read on the newspapers. Basically the hapless feeling of being handed the death warrant. I am still shaking as I write this. No need to troll. I’m sharing my story so others don’t need to needlessly die. They can research and seek treatment ask their doctors if they are infected.

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Post by thedream »

aetherspawn wrote: post #15
thedream wrote: post #7

Something that IS conclusive[1]: a myriad of documented cases of physical harm, caused by vaccines, inflicted on humans that have no legal recourse to hold their Modern Mengeles accountable. [1] https://vaers.hhs.gov/

I’m not anti vax, I always cash my free flu vax coupons, but last year the flu vax put me out for 3 weeks and I had bronchitis for 6 months. Nearly all of my professional contacts also got sick from it. I wonder if they put the interns on the flu vax whilst everyone else was working on COVID.

A commercial product incapacitated you for 3 weeks and made you sick for another 6 months -- and the manufacturers are immune from all liability.

May be time to rethink your priorities.

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Post by NomeChomsky »

stonogo wrote: post #18
SailingSperm wrote: post #8

For some balance -- [1]excerpts from abstract " Background: Repurposed medicines may have a role against the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The antiparasitic ivermectin, with antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties, has now been tested in numerous clinical trials." " Conclusions: Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical cour…

The American Journal of Therapeutics paper you linked includes falsified data from a since-retracted paper. It is also the only literature review that indicated Ivermectin does anything at all against COVID-19. If you remove the falsified data, you will see that the drug no longer seems effective.

Not true. The removed study was just one of 50. The study already had a control for bias attached to it. Even if the study is removed the effect remains certain.

The hit job on that study was also coordinated. The study was done by an Egyptian doctor in the middle of a pandemic. An actual doctor on the front line trying to save lives. They way he has been sullied in the name of protecting the financial interests of pharma companies is shameful.

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Post by [deleted] »

NomeChomsky wrote: post #29
stonogo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American Journal of Therapeutics paper you linked includes falsified data from a since-retracted paper. It is also the only literature review that indicated Ivermectin does anything at all against COVID-19. If you remove the falsified data, you will see that the drug no longer seems effective.

Not true. The removed study was just one of 50. The study already had a control for bias attached to it. Even if the study is removed the effect remains certain. The hit job on that study was also coordinated. The study was done by an Egyptian doctor in the middle of a pandemic. An actual doctor on the front line trying to save lives. They way he has been sullied in the name of protecting the financial interests of p…

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