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Reverse Engineering the M1 [pdf]

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Re: Reverse Engineering the M1 [pdf]

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> M1 Linux does not have a cool logo or name

Wonder if this is a subtle jab at Asahi Linux. Hopefully not, as I was thoroughly unamused by Corellium’s previous antics regarding Asahi Linux. It would be a lot nicer to see at least polite relations in the future, if not collaboration…

Re: Reverse Engineering the M1 [pdf]

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That's easy: Build a 1970s Italian supercar-style chassis -- heck, get some consulting help from Lamborghini, if you need -- but then, in stead of a V12 or even a V8, put one of your trusty Bavarian straight-sixes in the middle of it.

What, you mean someone else is trying to usurp the venerated "M1" moniker?!? Infidels!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1

Re: Reverse Engineering the M1 [pdf]

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> M1 Linux does not have a cool logo or name Wonder if this is a subtle jab at Asahi Linux. Hopefully not, as I was thoroughly unamused by Corellium’s previous antics regarding Asahi Linux. It would be a lot nicer to see at least polite relations in the future, if not collaboration…

Isn't the feeling mutual? I was under the impression that Asahi didn't really want Corellium's contributions because they considered Corellium's looks at proprietary Apple code to be an existential threat to the project's need for clean room RE.

Re: Reverse Engineering the M1 [pdf]

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post #3

That's easy: Build a 1970s Italian supercar-style chassis -- heck, get some consulting help from Lamborghini, if you need -- but then, in stead of a V12 or even a V8, put one of your trusty Bavarian straight-sixes in the middle of it. What, you mean someone else is trying to usurp the venerated "M1" moniker?!? Infidels! . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1

Arguably, the comment is off-topic, but TIL about bmw m1 :)

Re: Reverse Engineering the M1 [pdf]

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> M1 Linux does not have a cool logo or name Wonder if this is a subtle jab at Asahi Linux. Hopefully not, as I was thoroughly unamused by Corellium’s previous antics regarding Asahi Linux. It would be a lot nicer to see at least polite relations in the future, if not collaboration…

Isn't the feeling mutual? I was under the impression that Asahi didn't really want Corellium's contributions because they considered Corellium's looks at proprietary Apple code to be an existential threat to the project's need for clean room RE.

I believe this is false. The Corellium guys are (much?) further along technically. But they don't care to put their code in a format that upstream will ever accept. I believe this was the main reason collaboration went nowhere. Corelliums forked kernel will always be little more then a marketing toy because of this.

Re: Reverse Engineering the M1 [pdf]

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Wow, I would buy every book written by this person, as the amount of knowledge and experience required to pull off a stunt like that feels overwhelming

Does anyone know if https://dougallj.github.io/applecpu/firestorm.html is the "Dougall Johnson's work if you can find it" reference, or is there some dark web version?

Re: Reverse Engineering the M1 [pdf]

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> M1 Linux does not have a cool logo or name Wonder if this is a subtle jab at Asahi Linux. Hopefully not, as I was thoroughly unamused by Corellium’s previous antics regarding Asahi Linux. It would be a lot nicer to see at least polite relations in the future, if not collaboration…

Isn't the feeling mutual? I was under the impression that Asahi didn't really want Corellium's contributions because they considered Corellium's looks at proprietary Apple code to be an existential threat to the project's need for clean room RE.

In any case, it never had to turn petty, even if they really did feel like RE knowledge from Sandcastle was being used. Even if code wasn’t shared, knowledge could have been. I came out with the feeling that they had bigger concerns about optics above all, and they couldn’t use the same approaches that might’ve worked when they were the David and not the Goliath.

I don’t want to be the asshole dredging up drama needlessly, but the line just feels snide after all that happened. Like, if you wanted a slick logo, name and marketing page, you all could just make one; you had absolutely no trouble doing so for Project Sandcastle. I don’t see why this statement needs to be made here and now, as nobody would’ve batted an eye if they hadn’t said anything.

Re: Reverse Engineering the M1 [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the feeling mutual? I was under the impression that Asahi didn't really want Corellium's contributions because they considered Corellium's looks at proprietary Apple code to be an existential threat to the project's need for clean room RE.

In any case, it never had to turn petty, even if they really did feel like RE knowledge from Sandcastle was being used. Even if code wasn’t shared, knowledge could have been. I came out with the feeling that they had bigger concerns about optics above all, and they couldn’t use the same approaches that might’ve worked when they were the David and not the Goliath. I don’t want to be the asshole dredging up drama needl…

Totally agreed, the pettiness in this case (if we're reading a one-off sentence fragment in a slide correctly) is unacceptable. I was just commenting that I don't see collaboration occurring for the well meaning base differences of opinion even once you unwrap away the pettiness.
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