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Re: Wealthy people are renouncing American citizenship

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Oh well, that's alright then. As long as it's only successful people getting screwed I suppose we're good.

Well, wehther it's alright or not, whether it is accurately characterized as 'getting screwed' or not, at least it's only the ones who can most afford it.

No, this hits the upper to middle professional class the hardest. One percenters are handled by a staff with white gloves as always.

Re: Wealthy people are renouncing American citizenship

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Imprecise but not incorrect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law#Dual_(o...

I heard rumours that this law is basically to put a thorn in the eye of Turkish immigrants minus what the EU does not allow. Is there any truth in this?

It got really awkward when the large minority of turkish Germans living in Germany with turkish citizenry overwhelmingly voted for Erdogan in the last elections. I'd really wish Germany was able to adopt an immigrant culture similar to the US, but the current situation is a semi-failure, but neither side of the political spectrum seems to be able to implement good policies to solve the issues.

Re: Wealthy people are renouncing American citizenship

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> Only the U.S. and Eritrea tax people based on citizenship rather than residency. For most countries, if you are a citizen but don’t reside there, you aren’t taxed in that country.

Funny thing is if you are living nomad life you are still required to pay tax somewhere, which I'm not sure makes much sense. My country surely not going to pay my medical expenses abroad, so why should I contribute?

Re: Wealthy people are renouncing American citizenship

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This. Living (even partially) overseas as someone who was born in the U.S. has so many disadvantages. The U.S. is the only country in the world that imposes global tax. Not only that, taxes are really complex and cost a fortune to file if you have overseas assets. Now, add to that that I cannot sign up for many bank accounts or other financial institutions because they don't accept U.S. customers - they don't want to…

Eritrea imposes a global tax as well.

Sure, I mean Eritrea and the US have the same power globally to enforce stuff right? It's not like one is ~25% of the world's economy.

Re: Wealthy people are renouncing American citizenship

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It's so irritating to be an American that has moved overseas. Basically the only country in the world that charges taxes on money you make and spend somewhere else, just because of where you were born. Thanks to IRS regulations, 90% of investment firms will just reject me outright rather than deal with the paperwork. Getting someone to help file my inordinately complex taxes costs thousands of dollars more than I act…

American here living abroad in Croatia, which does not have a tax or social security agreement with the US. The only reason why I do not renounce my American citizenship is because the very rare disease that I have was discovered on NIH grant funds in the 2000s and ultimately saved my life. I am not sentimental about being American, except for that.

What disease if you don't mind me asking?

Re: Wealthy people are renouncing American citizenship

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American here living abroad in Croatia, which does not have a tax or social security agreement with the US. The only reason why I do not renounce my American citizenship is because the very rare disease that I have was discovered on NIH grant funds in the 2000s and ultimately saved my life. I am not sentimental about being American, except for that.

What disease if you don't mind me asking?

Autoimmune autonomic ganglionopathy: https://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/diseases/11917/autoimmune-...

It's immune-mediated autonomic neuropathy and causes autonomic nervous system failure. I am in pharmaceutical remission now.

Re: Wealthy people are renouncing American citizenship

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This is untrue, if you're a citizen of Australia who is a non-resident you don't have to report or pay taxes on world wide income made outside of Australia.

The laws recently changed last month. If you spend more than 45 days in the country or tick two of the following dot points you are now considered a tax resident and need to pay income tax: * the right to reside permanently in Australia * Australian accommodation * Australian family * Australian economic interests. https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a9c5000f-bde6...

So, just by being australian and having family there you check box #1 and #3 automatically?

Re: Wealthy people are renouncing American citizenship

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> surrendering US citizenship is a logical choice Only because of US laws. I have two citizenships, but one residency. In most Western countries, being a resident is associated with healthcare and pension, so having one residency is logical.

Residency, at least for overseas tax purposes, generally is presumed to transfer whenever (and wherever) you spend 180 days of a year somewhere, so you by definition can't have multiple residencies (unlike nationalities); you can have residency rights/permits in multiple places, but once you become resident somewhere you cease to be resident at your previous country of residence.

Can you live without residence? Say I'm sailing around the world. My home country could be thousands of miles away, pretty much unreachable in a practical way. Should that still count as my residence?

Re: Wealthy people are renouncing American citizenship

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If I am a US citizen with negligible assets and a plan to move abroad and renounce my US citizenship, and I plan to found a software startup, how should I go about it to minimize the taxes I eventually pay to my soon to be former government, whose unjust practices I'm trying to stop funding?

I could potentially wait until my US citizenship is a thing of the past before I even build anything, let alone create a new legal entity. But ideally I would find a way to start this now.

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