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Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by 908B64B197 »

tejohnso wrote: post #74
_brnu wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's notable that there is substantial resistance to vaccines even among health care workers. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021062...

> One reason some hospital staff say they are resisting COVID-19 vaccination is because it's so new and not yet fully approved by the FDA. > "I want to see more testing done," she says. "It took a long time to get a flu vaccine, and we made a COVID vaccine in 6 months. I want to know, before I start putting something into my body, that the testing is done." > Many of her co-workers share her feelings, she said. Would…

> Would have been nice if the article included responses to these concerns. Plenty of shaming about how dangerous passing covid to patients can be, but I didn't see anything that actually addresses the confidence problem.

Here's one simple question: who's liable for the damages/complications from the vaccine.

The answer: it's complicated.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-c...

https://fortune.com/2021/04/07/covid-vaccine-safety-is-astra...

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-are-pharmaceutical-compa...

But why should it be? If you trust your product, that's a no-brainer to cover the consumer for damages. If you don't...

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by user5994461 »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #190
bastardoperator wrote: post #177

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Most employers don't go after employees for these because the employee has already paid taxes on the money and the business itself has written the money off. Having to go back and change taxes or sue an employee typically isn't worth the cost of the bonus itself. This is also null and void if they're violating her rights, like the ability to use the bathroom or take a lunch break. Last, 28 / hour is fairly low for an…

I guess the company can bluff the employees pretty easily. They’re not exactly rolling in it (employees) either or have much spare time. If you get one strongly worded letter or ‘reminder’ from HR, I’d venture most would fold rather than go to an attorney.

It's not bluff. It's common to have claw back clauses on sign-on bonus or trainings, for a limited period (3 years might be too long though).

The comment you reply to is giving really bad advice to ignore it. That sort of clause is valid and the company may or may not action it. You don't know.

What your friend should do is interview for other companies and mentions to the HR interview that she has to refund 10k if she leaves now, and ask whether they would be able to cover it. It's routine for companies to offer a sign-on bonus to cover this sort of things and you can expect the same claw back clause attached for one year.

Alternatively, if she has the money AND can get a job that pays significantly more, she can switch anyway, the worst that can happen is that she has to pay some money if the company asks.

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Post by tpolm »

res0nat0r wrote: post #172
TheFreim wrote: post #161

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Eating healthy isn't difficult in a country like the United States and eating healthy prevents many medical issues. It seems pretty black and white from my point of view (I do understand that some issues are generic, those aren't what I'm discussing here).

Healthy food is expensive and time consuming to make, many Americans can't afford it and also don't easily have access to it.

Heard this many times but without detail. What exactly is expensive and time-consuming? Chicken/Beef, beans, pasta, rice, some greens, salt, pepper. Cooking simple dishes and putting them to a freezer can be done on weekend. What exactly is expensive and time consuming in US?

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Post by simplyunjustly »

0xB31B1B wrote: post #123
TheFreim wrote: post #94

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> Healthcare staff have great animosity towards the unvaccinated patients. They aren't victims here, they did this to themselves. That seems strange to me considering there are TONS of diseases that are completely the victims fault. Diabetes, heart diseases, lung issues, etc can all be caused because someone chose to make unfortunate decisions. Why would you get into a profession where you're in contact with this kin…

1) No one with diabetes yells at you that “diabetes is a hoax” and tells you to fuck off as you intubate them. 2) the prevention/cure for diabetes is clear (weight loss) but extremely difficult (low success rates). The prevention for covid is extremely easy and requires almost zero sacrifice or change in habits.

Me and my colleagues have not heard a single patient beg for the vaccine, tell us to fuck off as we intubate them (if they're able to do that, they have to consent to it), and I haven't heard any of my staff do anything that suggests animosity toward unvaccinated patients. There is plenty of animosity toward the families of elderly, bedbound, nonverbal patients that demand they be hospitalized every time they "seem more confused than usual." The vast majority of nurses here are unvaccinated, but most had COVID-19 last year prior to the vaccine if the rumors I hear from them are true.

May I practice medicine in some outlier area, but all the headlines I've seen just seem to dramatize things. The one about the doctor who claimed she would tell patients "it's too late" then intubate them soundly particularly like bullshit.

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Post by MarkLowenstein »

greedo wrote: post #238
MarkLowenstein wrote: post #229

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I meant to point out that if a region has kept COVID conflagrations from happening, via social distancing efforts, they will have accumulated less natural immunity, thus they are riper for conflagrations in the future. The way I predict "who's next" in the U.S. is to look at which states are at the bottom in terms of infections per capita. Those are the ripest. The technique has worked very well for me thus far.

Calling this entire argument out as non-factual. Oregon, Washington and Hawaii all are leading the nation in vaccination rate per capita. The idea of natural immunity is unfounded. You might have immunity BECAUSE you already had COVID. The idea that "infections per capita" trumps vaccination rate when determining future infections rates is just ridiculous. And claiming this is a hit job on a red state is just as fool…

(1) If "natural" immunity is the wrong term, I mean to say "acquired", i.e. had the disease.

(2) Yes, you're right that vaccinations also lower the amount of "dry wood" available. I try to add those into my estimates but it made too long a description so I left it out. But until 3 months ago it was only a small factor.

(3) More evidence that it's a hit job: the actual breakdown of current COVID cases is not red states vs. blue. It is urban vs. rural...as you'd expect on the upswing of a new conflagration. But the high-rates map is hugely correlated with urbanization, whereas "Trump country" is barely affected yet. That would be the real story, if there was one, which there is not. Have you seen stories on the crises in NYC and Long Island? Maybe I've missed them.

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Post by bingohbangoh »

goodells wrote: post #7

I am an EMT and talk to a lot of nurses, PAs, and physicians in various circles. This wave is worse for a few reasons. - Healthcare staff have great animosity towards the unvaccinated patients. They aren't victims here, they did this to themselves. Nobody can muster any more compassion, especially for these people. Patients and people at large, not even just the total-nutjob anti-vaxxers, are tired of restrictions. "…

Fwiw my Uncle is a nurse in North NJ and says this “wave” is nothing. Small uptick over last summer. Nothing like last April when it first hit.

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Post by selimthegrim »

user5994461 wrote: post #282
bigmattystyles wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess the company can bluff the employees pretty easily. They’re not exactly rolling in it (employees) either or have much spare time. If you get one strongly worded letter or ‘reminder’ from HR, I’d venture most would fold rather than go to an attorney.

It's not bluff. It's common to have claw back clauses on sign-on bonus or trainings, for a limited period (3 years might be too long though). The comment you reply to is giving really bad advice to ignore it. That sort of clause is valid and the company may or may not action it. You don't know. What your friend should do is interview for other companies and mentions to the HR interview that she has to refund 10k if s…

They are desperate down here with COVID, she can probably call their bluff and win.

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Post by iammisc »

varelse wrote: post #280
iammisc wrote: post #270

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Viruses don't 'mutate' up to a death rate. They mutate to a low death rate in one host, then sometimes cross, and happen to cause a higher death rate in the new species. Can Sars cov2 cross to another animal, mutate, and come back to humans with a higher death rate? Certainly, but that's not what we're talking about with these variants.

So you are asserting it is impossible for a virus to increase its fatality rate through mutation within the same species? That there has to be a zoonotic transfer for this to be possible? Where's your evidence? Because this must mean that contrary to the prevailing belief across the scientific community that Spanish Flu did exactly that (1), there must have been 2 Zoonotic events transfer events between the first and…

I'll just quote what I said above:

> As with any 'rule', there are exceptions, but that is the general idea yes. There is little need to worry about future variants.

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Post by dralley »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #286
goodells wrote: post #7

I am an EMT and talk to a lot of nurses, PAs, and physicians in various circles. This wave is worse for a few reasons. - Healthcare staff have great animosity towards the unvaccinated patients. They aren't victims here, they did this to themselves. Nobody can muster any more compassion, especially for these people. Patients and people at large, not even just the total-nutjob anti-vaxxers, are tired of restrictions. "…

Fwiw my Uncle is a nurse in North NJ and says this “wave” is nothing. Small uptick over last summer. Nothing like last April when it first hit.

Your Uncle needs to understand that just because North NJ isn't seeing much of a surge, doesn't mean there isn't a surge. The surge is happening on the Gulf Coast, Arkansas, and Missouri.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by selimthegrim »

goodells wrote: post #7

I am an EMT and talk to a lot of nurses, PAs, and physicians in various circles. This wave is worse for a few reasons. - Healthcare staff have great animosity towards the unvaccinated patients. They aren't victims here, they did this to themselves. Nobody can muster any more compassion, especially for these people. Patients and people at large, not even just the total-nutjob anti-vaxxers, are tired of restrictions. "…

There are plenty of healthcare staff vocally unvaccinated in Louisiana themselves, I wonder how they feel about those patients.
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