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Re: EmacsConf 2021 Call for Proposals

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Post by taeric »

zdragnar wrote: post #33
taeric wrote: post #30

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I'm curious what OS you are in. Unless I am over a slow tramp connection, it isn't common for me to see any lag in the editor. And it is amusing that async through a buffer has always been possible. Just far more common for folks to not go that route on round one.

Not OP, but macOS here on a MacBook Pro less than a year old. Emacs has always tempted me, but a number of commands take roughly 2-5x the time compared to something like vscode. Every time I get back to trying out emacs again, I find myself wondering why I would bother with the massive time sink to get it customized to be a sub-par equivalent to another tool that works better for me. Doom emacs comes the closest for…

What commands, in particular?

Re: EmacsConf 2021 Call for Proposals

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Post by pdimitar »

alex_smart wrote: post #39
pdimitar wrote: post #35

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Yep, did that a while ago, was very disappointed how much coloring do you lose by doing it, for seemingly no good reason. :( Could be my config but dude, it's a 99% almost pristine Spacemacs config. You can't get much more vanilla than that.

>pristine Spacemacs >vanilla What? :O Spacemacs is like 50k LOC away from vanilla config.

Ah, I mean vanilla Spacemacs. :D

I also meant I barely changed it, nothing more. Hence why I was baffled that switching to terminal mode lost like half the syntax coloring. :|

Re: EmacsConf 2021 Call for Proposals

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Post by jasonmorton »

taeric wrote: post #41
zdragnar wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, but macOS here on a MacBook Pro less than a year old. Emacs has always tempted me, but a number of commands take roughly 2-5x the time compared to something like vscode. Every time I get back to trying out emacs again, I find myself wondering why I would bother with the massive time sink to get it customized to be a sub-par equivalent to another tool that works better for me. Doom emacs comes the closest for…

What commands, in particular?

Not OP, but for me adding or deleting a character in the middle of a paragraph in a latex doc hangs for maybe .5s or more, often. This is a fairly new phenomenon, never happened 2+ years ago.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 Call for Proposals

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Post by Jtsummers »

pdimitar wrote: post #42
alex_smart wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>pristine Spacemacs >vanilla What? :O Spacemacs is like 50k LOC away from vanilla config.

Ah, I mean vanilla Spacemacs . :D I also meant I barely changed it, nothing more. Hence why I was baffled that switching to terminal mode lost like half the syntax coloring. :|

https://develop.spacemacs.org/doc/FAQ.html#why-does-my-color...

Seems like an appropriate FAQ item.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 Call for Proposals

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Post by pdimitar »

Jtsummers wrote: post #44
pdimitar wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, I mean vanilla Spacemacs . :D I also meant I barely changed it, nothing more. Hence why I was baffled that switching to terminal mode lost like half the syntax coloring. :|

https://develop.spacemacs.org/doc/FAQ.html#why-does-my-color... Seems like an appropriate FAQ item.

Well okay, fair enough but it doesn't actually solve the problem. Modern terminals can render basically all colors your DE / display supports so I am not sure why there isn't a check for that and utilize the feature if it's there.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 Call for Proposals

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Post by Jtsummers »

pdimitar wrote: post #45
Jtsummers wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://develop.spacemacs.org/doc/FAQ.html#why-does-my-color... Seems like an appropriate FAQ item.

Well okay, fair enough but it doesn't actually solve the problem. Modern terminals can render basically all colors your DE / display supports so I am not sure why there isn't a check for that and utilize the feature if it's there.

You'll need to make sure that your terminal actually supports the variety of colors that emacs is emitting and that your terminal palette matches your emacs GUI color palette. Emacs can't magically switch your terminal from a 16-color mode to 256-colors, or change the palette.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 Call for Proposals

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Post by weavie »

na85 wrote: post #12

LSP-mode has really reinvigorated emacs, at least for me. With flycheck and a language server it's magical. Writing go, it even auto-formats your code and auto-adds imports.

How are you finding the performance of LSP?

I dropped Emacs for NeoVim because Emacs would frequently lockup for a second or more due to LSP. NeoVim doesn't have this problem.

I would love to return to Emacs someday.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 Call for Proposals

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Post by alex_smart »

pdimitar wrote: post #42
alex_smart wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>pristine Spacemacs >vanilla What? :O Spacemacs is like 50k LOC away from vanilla config.

Ah, I mean vanilla Spacemacs . :D I also meant I barely changed it, nothing more. Hence why I was baffled that switching to terminal mode lost like half the syntax coloring. :|

>lost like half the syntax coloring

Spacemacs's default theme works quite well in the terminal. Of course, when you are mapping a theme designed for a colorspace with millions of colors to one with 256 colors, there might some issues, but that is to be expected.

If even trying a different theme is too much of an effort for you, why in God's name are you wasting your time on an editor whose main USP is customizability?

Re: EmacsConf 2021 Call for Proposals

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Post by tikhonj »

jasonmorton wrote: post #20
markmichalski wrote: post #3

I’m not a long-time emacs user, but as a new one, my enthusiasm is really growing. Like everyone, I’m finding that I’m in an increasingly disparate set of tools with diverging interface design choices to get my jobs done. The cognitive dissonance that all these different interfaces presents me with feels like it’s getting out of hand, and is growing non-linearly. Emacs is a arcane tool, and is dated in so many ways,…

I've been using emacs for many years now, and I'm sad to say that it has never been slower, despite the hardware getting better. Now it lags like crazy when editing a latex document, no matter the recent version. Something went off the rails in the last year or so, and even Atom is more responsive.

Have you tried the new native compilation system? I haven't worked on LaTeX documents specifically, but I did see a noticeable improvement in responsiveness across the board and a massive improvement in Elisp-heavy functionality like org-agenda.

I've used it on both Linux and macOS; for whatever reason, my Emacs has always been snappier on my Linux machine, and that's still true with native compilation, but now the macOS experience is also pretty solid.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 Call for Proposals

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Post by cle »

weavie wrote: post #47
na85 wrote: post #12

LSP-mode has really reinvigorated emacs, at least for me. With flycheck and a language server it's magical. Writing go, it even auto-formats your code and auto-adds imports.

How are you finding the performance of LSP? I dropped Emacs for NeoVim because Emacs would frequently lockup for a second or more due to LSP. NeoVim doesn't have this problem. I would love to return to Emacs someday.

I don't experience any performance problems with lsp-mode, it is very snappy and never gets in my way of going from thought->code. In particular, Go's LSP support is excellent and very fast. I've found these days that the LSP perf is up to the LSP implementation, not Emacs.
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