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Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of the Gulf Stream

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Re: Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of the Gulf Stream

#42

Nuclear power is needed everywhere. All major grids. And all containerships. Doable in 20-40 years with some serious effort.

Nuclear container ships are such a good idea. It is maddening we haven't done this and only turn war ships into nuclear power.

Re: Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of the Gulf Stream

#43
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What would happen if the Gulf Stream did collapse? Would a different similar circulatory system emerge soon after? Would the lack of a dominant system lead to many more smaller chaotic systems? Do we just not know what would happen, so that it's concerning in that it's unknowable?

Just watch The Day After Tomorrow to know what happens.

No, that is heavily sensationalized. But a new 'small ice age' as a result of the gulfstream shutting down is a serious possibility, even if it changed direction that would already cause serious problems for very large parts of Europe.

Re: Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of the Gulf Stream

#44

Makes me look back at the last 20-30 years of discourse in the United States and let out a deep sigh. Had CFC propellants emerged today, I highly doubt the U.S. would have been a signatory to the Montreal Protocol — just to own the libs or avoid hindering the market by a boogeyman of 0.0001% overhead or some other form of contrarian political identity differentiation.

Yeah, man. I'm often wondering where did this "own the libs" thing even began. It provides republicans with such a strong connection to their base, that if something gets even remotely attached to that idea, there is no budging

Re: Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of the Gulf Stream

#46

I was able to read only the abstract - "Rent or Buy article for $8.99". Brings up the question, what does "rent an article" mean ?

It says you get access to it for 48 hours.

So, same thing as renting anything else?

Re: Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of the Gulf Stream

#47

Nuclear power is needed everywhere. All major grids. And all containerships. Doable in 20-40 years with some serious effort.

Nuclear container ships are such a good idea. It is maddening we haven't done this and only turn war ships into nuclear power.

That's a non-proliferation issue more than anything else.

Re: Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of the Gulf Stream

#48

After seeing the global chaotic response to COVID I'm convinced that climate change will not receive a meaningful response until it is way too late. It apparently needs to hit the majority of the planet right in the gut (and then preferably the wealthy part) for people to get off their collective asses and do something about it. I'm just about ready to pack it in and hope the next generation is smarter than this one…

But we used paper straws, isn’t that enough?

In al seriousness, the next generation isn’t going to be all that different than the last 10000 generations of mankind.

Re: Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of the Gulf Stream

#50

Makes me look back at the last 20-30 years of discourse in the United States and let out a deep sigh. Had CFC propellants emerged today, I highly doubt the U.S. would have been a signatory to the Montreal Protocol — just to own the libs or avoid hindering the market by a boogeyman of 0.0001% overhead or some other form of contrarian political identity differentiation.

> Makes me look back at the last 20-30 years of discourse in the United States and let out a deep sigh.

George H.W. Bush ("Bush 41") actually had a decent track record on the environment and climate change:

* https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/george-h-w-bush-underst...

The craziness with the GOP started more recently (post-1990s).

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