Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job • Hacker News Board

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by myko » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 6:09 PM UTC

iammisc wrote: post #220

varelse wrote: post #200

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The IFR seems to be about 1% now that we a have a lot of data, and a bit higher in the US. But that could change or are you asserting it won't? And are you completely unconcerned about new variants? We'll have to disagree on that. The Delta variant has saturated ICUs again, no problemo I gather? And you're misrepresenting the paper. It doesn't claim 35% fatality, it cites the 35% fatality of MERS, a distantly related…

> But that could change or are you asserting it won't How can you interpret what I wrote to say that a new virus or variant certainly won't cause a higher fatality rate? Anything can happen at any time. For all we know, a new virus could become prevalent. Typically though, we base public policy based on things that have already happened and the likelihood of future things. There is little reason to believe COVID will…

> There is little reason to believe COVID will evolve into something more deadly. In general viruses rarely make this evolutionary step.

This is false, and has already happened with COVID-19's delta variant.

"in addition to being more contagious, the delta variant likely increases the risk of severe disease and hospitalization, compared with the original strain." - https://www.npr.org/2021/07/29/1022580439/a-cdc-internal-rep...

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by greedo » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 6:13 PM UTC

bzbarsky wrote: post #227

papito wrote: post #106

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This fetishizing of the rich is exactly the problem. How dare these socialists take this wealth and give it to the unthankful moochers! No one is talking about "punishing" the ultra-rich, but I would like to see them pay around my percentage tax rate, which is 28% - that's just Federal. I challenge you to find a wealthy person paying anywhere near that. The top tax rate in the US, decades ago, was 90%. It effectively…

> The top tax rate in the US, decades ago, was 90%. Which pretty much no one paid because there were so many exceptions to it. Starting with the fact that the top long-term capital gains tax rate was 25%, not 90%. A lot of those exceptions got eliminated as part of the process of reducing the top marginal rate to the levels we observe now. The current "top" Federal rate is 39.35% on earned income, 40.8% on interest,…

I haven't researched this at all, so perhaps these type of studies are out there, but I think it would be interesting to see how exemptions/credits and deductions were actually utilized over time. We have roughly 200B tax returns filed since the income tax was created (not counting corporate returns).

It would be good to be able to visualize how tax collections changed over time etc.

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by handrous » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 6:14 PM UTC

janeroe wrote: post #125

There is a relevant speech by a surgeon who along with other doctors started their own practice [1]. It's called "Why Aren't There More Free Market Surgery Centers and Clinics". > The last two payments I received from Medicare were as follows: $285 for a six-hour cardiac anesthetic and $78 for the anesthesia services required for a knee replacement. These fees had been imposed through a mechanism referred to as the r…

Every other developed country I'm aware of uses price controls for their healthcare system, usually by declaring price lists regardless of payer, by establishing a state-directed monopsony, or by taking direct control of healthcare providers.

Clearly it can work since AFAIK everyone is doing it, and it seems to be basically fine. Not perfect, but fine.

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by greedo » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 6:14 PM UTC

switch007 wrote: post #75

dageshi wrote: post #47

All the people who hate the masks and hate the vaccines never really have any answer to this, what happens when the hospitals fill to capacity or the staff give up from exhaustion. No answers.

If I had to talk a wild guess, they give answers but you don’t listen or like the response. Hospitals are designed to run near capacity. It’s reported every winter in the UK that they’re near or over capacity. And outside of winter they’re just as busy. 12 hour shifts, asking ungodly things of staff is nothing new. Where was your haughty indignation during the last bad flu season? We have vaccines and had/have mask m…

The last bad flu season didn't kill over 600K Americans...

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by greedo » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 6:25 PM UTC

MarkLowenstein wrote: post #210

naturalauction wrote: post #76

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>Also should note, I can't help but feel this focus on Florida, Texas, Arkansas, etc is because they have banned masks and vaccine mandates. If you look at actual hospitalizations and more importantly death rates you see something different. But this is in the past (or cumulative over the whole pandemic), the news article is talking about now. If you look at current numbers, you can see where hospitalizations are now…

You're both correct. What is being missed is that, partly because of less social-distancing, FL and the MO/AR/LA region are getting hit first, so you can point to the problems there this week. The media dishonesty is that they won't come back next week or in two weeks and give attention to the equivalent problems in VA, OR, WA, etc. The passive headline-reader, who throughout 2020 and 2021 has seen sob story after so…

The higher death rates in NJ/NY etc were due to COVID being new, and treatments being unknown or experimental. The death rates in South Dakota were because idiots felt the need to clog a small town with 500K cyclists despite warnings from almost every reliable epidemiologist.

It's the difference between getting surprised by a deadly bug, and having state governments that don't give a crap despite being forewarned.

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Post by armchairhacker » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 6:27 PM UTC

roel_v wrote: post #194

armchairhacker wrote: post #28

I've never worked as a nurse or doctor but it's hard to imagine what they go through. Every day they deal with people in serious pain, people with traumatic injuries, rude people, rude people with traumatic injuries, screaming children and babies. Apparently nurses in particular are also routinely disrespected by higher-ups, put in danger by higher-ups, and don't get paid much. In college I heard insane stories from…

"Apparently going on shifts working 72+ hours non-stop is the norm." C'mon, that's 3 straight days , i.e. skipping 2 nights . How can that be 'the norm' anywhere? Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence - or in this case, just any evidence.

Ok, it’s probably not the norm, but i’ve heard from multiple people saying they needed to stay awake for 80+ hours. Maybe because it was college and they were also taking classes?

I can reliably say that they’re still very overworked. 12+ hour shifts is the norm, and sometimes even 24 hours.

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Post by 8ytecoder » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 6:31 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #215

8ytecoder wrote: post #62

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The rate for traveling nurses is indeed ridiculously high as compared to full-time on the ground nurses working their butt off.

Are the traveling nurses also not working their butt off?

I'm not sure anything in my statement is meant to say they don't work their butt off?

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Post by motohagiography » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 6:38 PM UTC

mullen wrote: post #226

motohagiography wrote: post #201

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I sincerely believe this hesitancy issue is designed to identify people as offside and as a wedge issue or scissor statement, and not as discourse to derive facts about the topic. Blaming the hesitant and making histrionic claims is like trying to convince me of some eugenic racist theory, where it's just a fast filter that repels everyone intelligent enough to disagree with you and leaves you with a remainder of eas…

This isn't a Political debate, this is Public Health. The data is super clear, the only way out of this Public Health disaster is vaccines. The faster that everyone gets their vaccine shots, the faster ALL OF US can get out of this pandemic that is negatively impacting all of our lives. The current vaccines can do that with next to zero impact on a person's health. Individuals not getting vaccine shots are not endang…

Public health in this context is the pretext for these empty talking points with weirdly capitalized letters.

It's a false conflict and a false dichotomy. The quality of thes arguments are self defeatingly poor, which is the point, because the people making them need others to blame. Hysteria causes hesitation. Solving the problem and merely keeping it in the air with what would be hate speech in any other context to manage it are conflicting goals.

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by switch007 » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 6:42 PM UTC

greedo wrote: post #244

switch007 wrote: post #75

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If I had to talk a wild guess, they give answers but you don’t listen or like the response. Hospitals are designed to run near capacity. It’s reported every winter in the UK that they’re near or over capacity. And outside of winter they’re just as busy. 12 hour shifts, asking ungodly things of staff is nothing new. Where was your haughty indignation during the last bad flu season? We have vaccines and had/have mask m…

The last bad flu season didn't kill over 600K Americans...

What’s that got to do with my post? The flu season places extra pressure on the hospitals - I’m not comparing the two viruses. Don’t get so triggered.

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Post by greedo » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

switch007 wrote: post #249

greedo wrote: post #244

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The last bad flu season didn't kill over 600K Americans...

What’s that got to do with my post? The flu season places extra pressure on the hospitals - I’m not comparing the two viruses. Don’t get so triggered.

Not triggered at all, except by the continued conflation of COVID with influenza. You specifically mentioned:

"Where was your haughty indignation during the last bad flu season?"

Show me a flu season that has exerted the same amount of pressure on hospitals and healthcare workers.