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Pushing for near universal vaccination isn’t at odds with wanting herd immunity. Quite the opposite.
Pushing for near universal vaccination isn't at odds with wanting to maximize pharma profits. Quite the opposite.
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Pushing for near universal vaccination isn’t at odds with wanting herd immunity. Quite the opposite.
Pushing for near universal vaccination isn't at odds with wanting to maximize pharma profits. Quite the opposite.
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Here are some primary sources which support the fact that infection leads to robust and durable immunity. [1] SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.pdf [2] Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v...
I know three people who got it twice and another who is a friend of a friend. Only one of those is known to be immunocompromised. Two of those got it the second time after also being vaccinated. I do wonder though if some of the second cases aren't people going in with the flu and having some covid fragments in their nose.
This is why using PCR tests cranked up to absurd cycle counts isn't the best way to determine _infection_.
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Vaccine isn't necessarily easy for everyone, and catching COVID isn't necessarily hard for everyone; and underlying health condition seems to be primary determinant of that, not vaccination status. Edit to add: feel good about downvoting critical thinking, ideologues.
That seems like the stupidest lottery to enter into however. Even people without an "underlying health condition" have died. And even those who haven't died are experiencing long term complications from having had COVID. So you can either hope you don't have a hard time with COVID if you catch it. Or you can drastically reduce your chances of having a hard time and of catching it all by just taking a couple minutes o…
This isn't a useful cohort.
Age. Pre-existing conditions. Vitamin D deficiency.
So many factors that narrow the funnel.
You can narrow down your odds of complications with specificity - there's no need to discuss with these generalizations.
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Pushing for near universal vaccination isn’t at odds with wanting herd immunity. Quite the opposite.
I'm saying that the parent's comment about pushing for herd immunity through both means is not exactly true. We are moving towards herd immunity by both methods unintentionally, but the only method being pushed is vaccination. So much so, that antibodies derived from infection are not even being counted, but rather those persons are being told they need the vaccine anyways. It's a bit like measuring outputs rather th…
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Along with an accompanying crush of ICU hospitalizations and deaths.
Why haven't we spent time bolstering healthcare then? Why have all the field hospitals been destroyed as fast as they were put up?
Those field hospitals are surge capacity; and work with hurricanes and earthquakes where a single part of the country is affected. You can bring in volunteers and reservists from other areas to create capacity.
When the emergency is everywhere, and on-going, all of your surge capacity is gone.
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Pushing for near universal vaccination isn't at odds with wanting to maximize pharma profits. Quite the opposite.
Was it not the case that most of the vaccine producers were providing them at cost?
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This assumes infection leads to immunity. It doesn't seem to be clear that this is true.
Here are some primary sources which support the fact that infection leads to robust and durable immunity. [1] SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.pdf [2] Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v...
All the data shows that vaccination provides protection, but with all these new variants coming out (expect more over time), I don't believe herd immunity is any more possible than herd immunity with the flu or common cold.
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Along with an accompanying crush of ICU hospitalizations and deaths.
Why haven't we spent time bolstering healthcare then? Why have all the field hospitals been destroyed as fast as they were put up?
Take your pick from:
a) They were a bit of a PR gimmick? Better for gov't to be seen to do _something_ than standing around wringing your hands and hoping things will improve...?
b) They couldn't be staffed and equipped to provide appropriate and useful additional care?
c) General hospitals were perhaps not quite as close to being overwhelmed as was reported?
There were stories that German hospitals may have been slightly economical with the truth in terms of obtaining additional funding for ICU beds, which perhaps weren't needed or even ever created[0]
[0] https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/corona-hilfen-schummelei-1-3...
This probably explains the previously mysterious drop in Delta cases in the UK. In the U.S. why shouldn't we just shoot for herd immunity now? Not sure how effective restrictions and mandates will be in slowing things down and the costs to mental health and quality of life are so high.
We seem to be trying to "flatten the curve" and "slow the spread" to needlessly take extra long to get to the same final place - natural herd immunity.