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94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows

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Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows

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Post by wusher »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #6
dontreact wrote: post #3

This probably explains the previously mysterious drop in Delta cases in the UK. In the U.S. why shouldn't we just shoot for herd immunity now? Not sure how effective restrictions and mandates will be in slowing things down and the costs to mental health and quality of life are so high.

The US doesn't have a choice to shoot for herd immunity because the remaining willfully unvaccinated population is both anti-mask and anti-vax. EDIT: Guess I worded that badly. What I mean is: choosing herd immunity is inevitable, so there is no choice. It will happen. EDIT2: It didn't occur to me that there is a huge risk if more deadly mutations happen faster than herd immunity.

Herd immunity can also be achieved by the anti-vax people catching the virus. They can develop immunity by being sick instead of getting a shot.

Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows

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Post by [deleted] »

carnitas wrote: post #7
SavantIdiot wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US doesn't have a choice to shoot for herd immunity because the remaining willfully unvaccinated population is both anti-mask and anti-vax. EDIT: Guess I worded that badly. What I mean is: choosing herd immunity is inevitable, so there is no choice. It will happen. EDIT2: It didn't occur to me that there is a huge risk if more deadly mutations happen faster than herd immunity.

That means they will be infected and subsequently immune, boosting herd immunity

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Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows

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Post by SavantIdiot »

wusher wrote: post #11
SavantIdiot wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US doesn't have a choice to shoot for herd immunity because the remaining willfully unvaccinated population is both anti-mask and anti-vax. EDIT: Guess I worded that badly. What I mean is: choosing herd immunity is inevitable, so there is no choice. It will happen. EDIT2: It didn't occur to me that there is a huge risk if more deadly mutations happen faster than herd immunity.

Herd immunity can also be achieved by the anti-vax people catching the virus. They can develop immunity by being sick instead of getting a shot.

Exactly. That's my point. It is unavoidable.

Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows

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Post by rowland66 »

dontreact wrote: post #3

This probably explains the previously mysterious drop in Delta cases in the UK. In the U.S. why shouldn't we just shoot for herd immunity now? Not sure how effective restrictions and mandates will be in slowing things down and the costs to mental health and quality of life are so high.

The US is absolutely shooting for herd immunity now. Its just a question of how individual members of the herd want to achieve their immunity. They can take the easy way (vaccination) or the hard way (get Covid).

Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows

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Post by Animats »

danuker wrote: post #4

I am stunned so few governments publish such "in the wild" data. The only way to judge the effectiveness of measures is to see how many people have actually been infected, not to count "confirmed" cases. For instance, it seems only 8.8% is confirmed (or 88k out of 1 million) [1] . Add that to the 69% vaccinated with at least one dose [2], and you get 77.8% accounted for, which is less than the 95% quoted. [1] - https…

The CDC publishes that data.[1][2] It runs 6 weeks behind, though.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/abou...

[2] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#national-lab

Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows

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Post by iamtheworstdev »

dontreact wrote: post #3

This probably explains the previously mysterious drop in Delta cases in the UK. In the U.S. why shouldn't we just shoot for herd immunity now? Not sure how effective restrictions and mandates will be in slowing things down and the costs to mental health and quality of life are so high.

It's unachievable in the US. Not enough people willing to get vaccinated. The bar for herd immunity is predicted at 80% or higher if covid keeps mutating to become more infectious. Measles had a 95% herd immunity threshold so who knows where covid could finally land.

Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows

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Post by sjg007 »

wusher wrote: post #11
SavantIdiot wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US doesn't have a choice to shoot for herd immunity because the remaining willfully unvaccinated population is both anti-mask and anti-vax. EDIT: Guess I worded that badly. What I mean is: choosing herd immunity is inevitable, so there is no choice. It will happen. EDIT2: It didn't occur to me that there is a huge risk if more deadly mutations happen faster than herd immunity.

Herd immunity can also be achieved by the anti-vax people catching the virus. They can develop immunity by being sick instead of getting a shot.

Along with an accompanying crush of ICU hospitalizations and deaths.

Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows

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Post by FabHK »

makapuf wrote: post #8
danuker wrote: post #4

I am stunned so few governments publish such "in the wild" data. The only way to judge the effectiveness of measures is to see how many people have actually been infected, not to count "confirmed" cases. For instance, it seems only 8.8% is confirmed (or 88k out of 1 million) [1] . Add that to the 69% vaccinated with at least one dose [2], and you get 77.8% accounted for, which is less than the 95% quoted. [1] - https…

Remember this includes vaccinated persons

Assuming the vaccination was successful in triggering the production of antibodies. It is unclear to me in what percentage of cases that is the case.

Hong Kong requires 2 weeks quarantine even for vaccinated people entering, unless they have proof not only of vaccination, but of antibody count.

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