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China Says It's Closing in on Thorium Nuclear Reactor

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Re: China Says It's Closing in on Thorium Nuclear Reactor

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Post by mcv »

nicoffeine wrote: post #35
tpmx wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you able to substantiate that claim? https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/18/china-covid-19-killed-h... It is widely known that when the new coronavirus emerged in December 2019, the Chinese government downplayed the pandemic threat for several critical weeks. Less commonly known is those same authorities deliberately sacrificed health workers to maintain their lies. The Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) calculated…

Our government wasn’t any better. January 20th, 2020: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” February 11th, 2020: “In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it’s actually less.” February 26th, 2020: “When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a…

True, those were rather blatant lies, but also obvious lies. In the US, at least the lies of the government are easily exposed. In China, that's a lot harder.

Re: China Says It's Closing in on Thorium Nuclear Reactor

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Post by petre »

acidburnNSA wrote: post #67
tpmx wrote: post #3

That would be awesome, but unfortunately the CCP have proven to us that we can't trust their word.

This guy on Twitter named Conrad Knauer [1] who has been diligently following satellite photos and cross-referencing them with the design publications for TMSR-1 that makes it all seem pretty believable. Pretty round-about way to verify things but it's something. [1] https://twitter.com/ConradKnauer

> Moderator: nuclear graphite

This moderator develops cracks during normal operation as seen in UK's AGR several other designs. And it burns in case of an accident (Windscale, Chernobyl). Since the TMSR-LF1 is an experimental project I also assume that it's a single fluid design? More detailed information on the TMSR-LF1 is quite hard to find but it says that it's based on the original Oak Ridge MSR design.

"Old proposed single fluid designs promising breeding performance tend to have an unsafe positive void coefficient and often assume excessive fuel cleaning to be economic viable."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reacto...

Re: China Says It's Closing in on Thorium Nuclear Reactor

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Post by kwere »

refenestrator wrote: post #60
tpmx wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that the fault also lies with other countries for letting the virus in so easily. But the grandparent poster asked for an example where the CCP lied and I obliged.

The full story there is the local authorities lied initially, then the feds found out and fired them while slamming the red alert button. Mayor of Wuhan and Governor of Hubei sacked in the aftermath. This all happened MONTHS before the virus hit the US. The CCP is 100 million people.

Yeah the problem Is the CCP itself with its incentive structure, not the "bad apples"

Re: China Says It's Closing in on Thorium Nuclear Reactor

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Post by pfdietz »

apatheticonion wrote: post #24

I have been doing my best to find critical information on the viability of Thorium based nuclear reactors (because they sound too good to be true). Everyone sings their praises, but what engineering challenges are there and are those engineering challenges large enough to discourage their development/adoption? The biggest thing I have found is that the salt solution for Thorium reactors is quite corrosive and that is…

Here's a useful slide deck from ORNL (2017):

https://gain.inl.gov/SiteAssets/MoltenSaltReactor/Module2-Ov...

Note page 23! Almost all the 137Cs ends up outside of the core, due to sparging of precursors. "Over 40% of [fission products] leave core"

Lots of other issues, particularly with radiation damage and corrosion of reactor structural elements. Unlike in a solid fuel reactor, there is fission going on right at the boundary of the salt. In a LWR, there is a layer of water between the fuel and the reactor structure to provide shielding. There will be non-fuel components of a MSR that are not lifetime components, but will have to be swapped out due to degradation. Some MSR designs are proposing to just swap out the entire reactor vessel because of this.

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j_walter wrote: post #2

Nuclear is far from the best source of electricity, but it is far less damaging to the environment than coal or NG if handled and designed properly. If countries can work together to put them in places that protect from major earthquakes or other natural disasters then I think we can get some decent movement on reduce GHG emissions from power plants.

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Post by kenned3 »

tablespoon wrote: post #9
tpmx wrote: post #3

That would be awesome, but unfortunately the CCP have proven to us that we can't trust their word.

> That would be awesome, but unfortunately the CCP has proven to us that we can't trust their word. Over and over again. IMHO, claims like this from them should be believed 100%, because to do otherwise invites complacency.

unfortunately the CCP has proven to us that we can't trust their word. Over and over again

Blaming others, deflection, and dishonesty is a common tactic used by every nation.

Remember when the blackout in 2003 was caused by Canada?

"Canadian officials insisted a massive blackout Thursday across the Northeast and parts of Canada originated in the United States, though U.S. power workers denied that and American officials blamed Canada."

Remember how the 9/11 terrorists also came from Canada? Canada doesn't control entry to the US, and they never came via Canada at all but this was often quoted in the media, as a deflection.

"Not one 9/11 terrorist entered the United States via Canada"

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Post by redis_mlc »

kenned3 wrote: post #87
tablespoon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That would be awesome, but unfortunately the CCP has proven to us that we can't trust their word. Over and over again. IMHO, claims like this from them should be believed 100%, because to do otherwise invites complacency.

unfortunately the CCP has proven to us that we can't trust their word. Over and over again Blaming others, deflection, and dishonesty is a common tactic used by every nation. Remember when the blackout in 2003 was caused by Canada? "Canadian officials insisted a massive blackout Thursday across the Northeast and parts of Canada originated in the United States, though U.S. power workers denied that and American offici…

> "Not one 9/11 terrorist entered the United States via Canada"

At least one organizer travelled from the Middle East to Canada to evade US flight watchlists, then later crossed into the US at the NY border. He is in an Egyptian prison now.

The above is well-reported, and there are interviews with his "Canadian family" online.

Besides him, his Canadian imam and mosque were likely heavily involved in his jihad. (Paris police find up to 50 co-conspirators for each jihadi shot to death.)

Re: China Says It's Closing in on Thorium Nuclear Reactor

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Post by maerF0x0 »

smhost wrote: post #37
maerF0x0 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying a specific group?

yeah, the old clintonites, the sinemas, maybe you can toss mitt romney in there. they're the most powerful political bloc currently, if you're new to politics

ok, so is it correct that you're suggesting that mediabiasfactcheck is giving a better rating to FP in order to benefit those groups? Sorry if i'm seeming indirect, but i'm still trying to piece together your actual point
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