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Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Dear humans, 1) You willingly delegated the decision of what code is allowed to run on your devices to the manufacturer (2009). Smart voices warned you of today's present even then. 2) You willingly got yourself irrevocably vendor-locked by participating in their closed social networks, so that it's almost impossible to leave (2006). 3) You willingly switched over essentially all human communication to said social ne…

I honestly don't like too much these smug takes

> 1) You willingly delegated the decision of what code is allowed to run on your devices to the manufacturer (2009). Smart voices warned you of today's present even then.

99% of the population will delegate the decision of what code is allowed to run to someone, be it the manufacturer, the government, some guy on the Internet or whatever. For that 99% of the population, by the way, it's actually more beneficial to have restrictions on what software can be installed to avoid malware.

> 2) You willingly got yourself irrevocably vendor-locked by participating in their closed social networks, so that it's almost impossible to leave (2006).

"Impossible to leave" is not a matter of closed or open, but it's a matter of social networks in general. You could make Facebook free software and its problems wouldn't disappear.

Not to mention that, again, 99% of people will get vendor-locked because in the end nobody wants to run their own instance of a federated social network.

> You willingly switched over essentially all human communication to said social networks, despite the obvious warning signs. (2006-2021)

Yes, it's been years since I talked someone face to face or on the phone and I cannot send letters anymore.

> 4) Finally you showed no resistance to these private companies when they started deciding what content should be allowed or banned, even when it got purely political (2020).

No resistance? I mean, it's been quite a lot of discussion and pushback on social networks for their decisions on content. Things move slow, but "no resistance" is quite the understatement.

> Now they're getting more brazen. And why shouldn't they? You'll obey.

Is this Mr. Robot talking now?

But now more seriously, in December the European Electronic Communications Code comes into effect, and while it's true that there's a temporary derogation that allows these CSAM scanners, there's quite a big debate around it and things will change.

The main problem with privacy and computer control is a collective one that must be solved through laws. Thinking that individual action and free software will solve it is completely utopic. A majority of the people will delegate control over their computing devices to another entity because most people don't have both knowledge and time to do it, and that entity will always have the option to go rogue. And, unfortunately, regulation takes time.

Anyways, one should wonder why, after all these years of these kinds of smug messages, we're in this situation. Maybe the solutions and the way of communicating the problems is wrong, you know.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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> It could be argued that distributed FOSS developers are easier to pressurise into adding back doors All millions of them at the same time?

Of course not. You'd only need a few important ones, and all you'd have to do is compromise them in one way or another. This can be done via coercion, via money, or by physically or virtually breaking into their system(s). For example, if money can be an incentive, you can stimulate a FOSS dev to add a NOBUS vulnerability in code. Also, since all the code is public, organizations like NSA can do in-house fuzzing, kee…

This is what happened with TrueCrypt. After that fork VeraCrypt was created, because you can never coerce everyone in the world.

Independent audits should help against backdoors. Again, the FLOSS nature of software and huge number of developers are essential here.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Is this anything new, though? The communications haven't been E2E protected ever since people started using phones.

Because E2E didn't exist when the phone was invented but there have been significant improvements since then.

Not POTS, but cell phones could have been E2E at least since cellular switched to digital.

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Dear humans, 1) You willingly delegated the decision of what code is allowed to run on your devices to the manufacturer (2009). Smart voices warned you of today's present even then. 2) You willingly got yourself irrevocably vendor-locked by participating in their closed social networks, so that it's almost impossible to leave (2006). 3) You willingly switched over essentially all human communication to said social ne…

The fact that even the 'smart' people from HN can't wait for their new M1 laptop to arrive convinced me that humans are a lost cause.

This is a moot point unless you always verify and check all hardware and software that you use, including communications devices.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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The fact that even the 'smart' people from HN can't wait for their new M1 laptop to arrive convinced me that humans are a lost cause.

What do you recommend instead?

Current generation of desktop/laptop processors are plenty powerful. I’m unconvinced they cannot fulfil today’s computing needs.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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The fact that even the 'smart' people from HN can't wait for their new M1 laptop to arrive convinced me that humans are a lost cause.

This is a moot point unless you always verify and check all hardware and software that you use, including communications devices.

I don’t think that’s his point. The point is Apple made a laptop that did away technologies that allow PC ecosystem/choices we see today. The M1 MacBook feels like an iPhone, but sized as a laptop.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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The fact that even the 'smart' people from HN can't wait for their new M1 laptop to arrive convinced me that humans are a lost cause.

Not too lost 'cause you can run Linux on M1.

The selling point of Macs is the Apple ecosystem and UX. If you avoid Apple, what's the point of M1? Linux on equivalent AMDs is cheaper and more compatible.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Dear humans, 1) You willingly delegated the decision of what code is allowed to run on your devices to the manufacturer (2009). Smart voices warned you of today's present even then. 2) You willingly got yourself irrevocably vendor-locked by participating in their closed social networks, so that it's almost impossible to leave (2006). 3) You willingly switched over essentially all human communication to said social ne…

The fact that even the 'smart' people from HN can't wait for their new M1 laptop to arrive convinced me that humans are a lost cause.

So, it’s not that other platforms are any better!

Are you sure intel, AMD, Arm or windows TPM aren’t snitching on you? Do we need to make our own silicon from ingot?

There’s no technological solution to this problem, only social and legislative.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Until the manufacturer decides otherwise.

Like every other system since UEFI came out a decade ago. Do you use a Librem phone/laptop yourself?

Most other manufacturers aren't in the business of pushing their own OS.
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