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Do they scan it with a call to the cloud to verify it? That's the real threat here - continuous tracking, ability to turn it off or geo fence you to a certain area.
Actually, I lived in a texas county where some (all?) of the bars required ID scans that I can only assume called the cloud to verify/store data
An alternative, market-powered fix: lift the regulatory statues that prevent insurance companies from raising the cost of coverage of their unvaccinated customers.
400 people died of Covid...out of 350 million yesterday. How much do you think the actuaries would increase insurance cost for numbers like that? Doesn't seem like that's a huge risk increase. And 90% of those are in the above 75 years old age group with the highest maximum risk calculated in already. I bet there's not a single actuary that is worried about Covid.
https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/average-cost-hosp... (Nov 2020)
Vaccination reduces the risk of hospitalisation by 25x. (CDC data, 29 July 2021, leaked report).
I don't have good data on hospitalisations, though for quite some time early in the pandemic it was about 15% of all detected cases. I strongly suspect it's lower than that now (nonsymptomatic / low-severity cases are now detected), but it's still substantial.
Just on a per-person basis, that's about 50-65 large you're looking at in excess claims for shunning the vaccine. The actuarial risk is probably on the order of 10% of that, though you'd need to add in other costs and long-term health consequences. Severe cases can of course run far higher --- some patients have had double-lung transplants.
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> every couple of years for the rest of my life. That ship has sailed? Covid is not going away, ever. It's politically impossible to mandate 100% vaccination, and even if you could, there's still animal reserves. The best case scenario is that covid becomes like the common cold, and you can mostly avoid it with occasional booster shots. I wish everyone would get vaccinated too, but let's be realistic. How many years…
> That ship has sailed? Covid is not going away, ever. Why not? We managed to eradicate smallpox. There was political will all over the world to vaccinate almost everyone, and it worked. What's so different about Covid?
The risk of death after contracting the disease was about 30%, with higher rates among babies.[6][12] Often those who survived had extensive scarring of their skin, and some were left blind.
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Those vaccines have had years of use behind them. The coronavirus mRNA vaccines are a completely new technology and haven't even been given anything past emergency approval. This is an apples and oranges comparison.
What's your excuse for avoiding the J&J vaccine?
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Do they scan it with a call to the cloud to verify it? That's the real threat here - continuous tracking, ability to turn it off or geo fence you to a certain area.
ID scans at bars have been normal for at least decade. Have you really never had your ID scanned? I find that hard to believe. I hate it. There's no good reason to scan my ID when I'm very obviously of legal age. Some of the bars do this for tracking data and to sell your personal info. Some of the bars are lazy and it's a relatively straightforward way to validate your card. There's a good reason to validate that I…
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Those vaccines have had years of use behind them. The coronavirus mRNA vaccines are a completely new technology and haven't even been given anything past emergency approval. This is an apples and oranges comparison.
And this is a completely new virus. If regular vaccines vs mRNA is apples to oranges, then vaccines vs. any other option to solve the problem is oranges to a truckload of durian.
Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…
Given recent data which appear to demonstrate even the vaccinated can and will still catch C19, although with milder symptoms and [much] lower risk of needing hospital treatment, isn't the evidence still pointing to us all getting it sooner or later?
"Covid-19 will now join other coronaviruses in being something we contract multiple times throughout our lives "[0]
In many countries so many of the vulnerable and elderly are already vaccinated that maybe encouraging populations to reach some [ever-rising] "herd immunity" vaccination rate has become a political endeavour, not a scientific one.
"Medical Research Council Biostatistics Unit at the University of Cambridge estimates that well over 60 per cent of 15-24 year olds [in the UK] have already had Covid anyway"[0]
If so many young people have apparently already had it, is it right to spend so much time, money and political capital worrying about the vaccination rates in healthy young people?
[0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/04/offering-vaccine...
“Everyone is going to get Corona. Whether you’re vaccinated or not, whether you’re old or young, whether you’re tested or not, whether we lock down or not. This is a fact of life now. The vaccines will protect against severe symptoms only for a time, and Corona is always changing. Slowing the spread will prove counter-productive particularly to those who have sought the protection of vaccines. Your best hope of conti…
Are other viruses that I can interest you in being infected with? Let's see here, we've got HIV, HPV, Ebola, Rabies, Smallpox, Chickenpox, Polio, Hantavirus. Don't we need some time to...ehm, get "evolutionary familiar" with them, or whatever? I mean, why stop at viruses? Interested in some lovely bacterial infections like Lyme disease, staph, E. coli, Candida auris (oh, I love that one, I had it on my face!)
And calling it a "vaccination" is being generous, considering that after 6 months efficacy is down significantly, like 20% of original levels. Its more like a therapeutic. This too is similar to a flu vaccination. How many shots per year do you want to take? For how many years? Don't forget that every time you increase the risk of an auto-immune reaction. Also keep in mind that vaccination doesn't even seem to protect other people by decreased virus shedding.
You are comparing an experimental "vaccine", not approved by the FDA, with no long-term studies, where the companies that make them have immunity from unforeseen consequences, that rapidly declines in usefulness over mere months and which is "preventing" a disease that leaves the vast majority of people unaffected anyway to eg Polio, that can leave people paralyzed for life and where we have an effective vaccine that reliably works for decades and for which we have long-term experience.
How are you people thinking you're making a clever & well-informed point. Your reasoning amounts to "infection bad, why you want infection".
By not getting vaccinated you are pushing the onus of responsibility to society. When you occupy a bed in a hospital for a preventable disease (like covid post-vaccine) you are a detriment to society. You are occupying precious resources because you were dumb. Just dumb. No ifs or buts - we need to start calling out stupidity again. We already handle people occupying hospital resources with self inflicted diseases, l…
> By not getting vaccinated you are pushing the onus of responsibility to society. When you occupy a bed in a hospital for a preventable disease (like covid post-vaccine) you are a detriment to society. You are occupying precious resources because you were dumb Why are you focusing on weak predictors of expected medical cost like vaccination status instead of strong predictors like diet and obesity?
Vaccination takes minutes while getting someone to lose weight takes months.
Whatever. This whole vaccine vs obesity is a false dillemma and a logical fallacy. And if you’re smart you know this and if you’re not smart it’s not worth the trouble to try and educate you.