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Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by wahern »

dagsdgfhdgdj wrote: post #50
wahern wrote: post #44

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> There is mounting evidence that people with naturally acquired immunity will not significantly benefit from further vaccination It's a shame that the mainstream, public health narrative unquestioningly rejects prior infection as an alternative. All substantial evidence points to the contrary. That said, identifying those who've legitimately had a prior infection is rather difficult. There are no "I had a PCR-confir…

> There are no "I had a PCR-confirmed infection" passports Despite its name the EU COVID vaccination certificate also covers recording PCR-confirmed infections and even tests. It is open source so even less developed countries like the US could use it if they wanted to.

Interesting. Thank you for pointing that out. The "less developed" comment may have turned some people off, but FWIW:

> An EU Digital COVID Certificate is a digital proof that a person has either 1) been vaccinated against COVID-19, 2) received a negative test result, or 3) recovered from COVID-19.

Regarding negative tests it says:

> The Member States agreed on a standard validity period for tests: 72 hours for PCR tests and, where accepted by a Member State, 48 hours for rapid antigen tests.

Source: https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re... (reformatted from original as plain text)

I wonder what the standard is for "recovered from COVID-19"; i.e. whether it's just a doctor's diagnosis, contemporaneous PCR confirmation, or subsequent antibody test.

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by himinlomax »

babesh wrote: post #79
himinlomax wrote: post #74

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> long term side effects

What a clown dagsdgfhdgdj - “You have to go back over 60 years and even then only find issues caused by manufacturing problems, i.e., cases where not the intended vaccine was injected...”

Different person, clown.

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by throwawaygh »

version_five wrote: post #20
throwawaygh wrote: post #17

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> if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. I've started doing exactly the opposite. Almost every place I spend my money these days caters to reasonable people and quickly kicks out most of the riffraff. I don't want to go to a business that caters to all customers, because being surrounded by annoying people is miserable. I want to spend m…

I agree with everything you say. But to me, it's places that cater to "riff raff" that I associate with carding for a vaccine pass or whatever. Same as I would never go to a bar that would search my bag, or fly with a discount carrier that treated me like a cow being herded around. The fact that I only go to places that treat me respectfully and as an adult is exactly why I would not go to a place that makes me go th…

Unfortunately, even flying business won't spare us from the "no tread on me" man-child espousing on his manifesto on security theatre in the airport security line. I'm happy to pay extra for an environment without that sort of exhausting neck beard bullshit polluting the ambiance. Avoiding exactly that crowd is why I TSA PreCheck and pay for lounge access.

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by babesh »

himinlomax wrote: post #82
babesh wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a clown dagsdgfhdgdj - “You have to go back over 60 years and even then only find issues caused by manufacturing problems, i.e., cases where not the intended vaccine was injected...”

Different person, clown.

“himinlomax 13 hours ago [–]

That's still 3 decades, and that was short term”

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by babesh »

himinlomax wrote: post #63
babesh wrote: post #62

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Wearing a mask isn’t driving drunk. That is exactly what we are asking children to do while the trials are under way. Your shete logic means that you think that children under 12 who don’t take the vaccine should not go to schools. Or are you advocating that we force them to take the vaccine too? Ha! Not even the CDC recommends that.

> Wearing a mask isn’t driving drunk I didn't compare wearing a mask to driving drunk, I compared wearing a mask to wearing a seat belt. I compared driving drunk to not getting vaccinated.

Can you not read? I am comparing wearing a mask to NOT driving drunk.

I am saying that wearing a mask is being considerate of others just like not driving drunk. It is also like wearing a seatbelt in that it can protect you!

Masks help in protecting you from COVID-19 and from you spreading it. If unvaccinated people wear masks what is your problem?!

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by babesh »

himinlomax wrote: post #68
babesh wrote: post #67

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No. The odds differ for each individual. It may be the case that for a particular individual it is better for them not to take it.

Except that it's demonstrably not.

Nope, wrong again. Go look at the game theory of taking a vaccine for a trivial example.

Suppose there are 100 people. Suppose a virus has a 10% chance of killing you and the vaccine has a 1% chance. Now give the vaccine to 99 people. Should the last person take the vaccine? The virus is gone. Their probability of dying from the virus is now 0% instead of 10%. But their probability of dying from the vaccine is still 1%.

Different people taking the vaccine at different times have different risk profiles.

That is just the hypothetical example. There are actual real life examples of this with Covid-19. Some Scandinavian country was giving the vaccine to the elderly. Apparently they were already fragile and taking the vaccine pushed them over the edge and killed them.

Now if you are one of those people should you take the vaccine or be forced to? Your best bet is actually to have everyone else take the vaccine and NOT take it yourself.

Some people say that this is an example of a tragedy of the commons and that the health community pushes everyone to take the vaccine even if it is NOT in their specific self interest to do so. Everyone wants to be last. No one wants to be first. What do you actually think these vaccine mandates are pushing?

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by CiaTransMatters »

Analemma_ wrote: post #3
anonymouswacker wrote: post #2

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You’re not allowed to walk into public places spraying bullets in every direction, but that is what you are potentially doing when you’re not vaccinated. Piss off with the juvenile freedom argument; freedom stops where your nose does and does not cover fatal contagions.

I agree.

Round up everyone who has AIDS.

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by sanp »

anonymouswacker wrote: post #78
himinlomax wrote: post #47

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Freedom to contaminate?

Yes. It’s what we called living before 2020.

Ah - so, we should not change our behavior based on new knowledge? Perhaps we should also allow chemical companies to dump toxic pollutants because we called that living before the clean air and water act...

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by [deleted] »

AnnoyedComment wrote: post #45
criticaltinker wrote: post #40

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This happens when a comment is down-voted. Sometimes it happens to non-mainstream opinions being voiced, but more often it's because the comment is considered by others to be inflammatory or unsubstantiative. See the site guidelines for more details https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

I see. It only appears to happen thus far when it goes against the mainstream thought process. I'm sure I'll see some apolitical usage at some point, but I've yet to witness it. Thank you for your answer.

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Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by _djo_ »

AnnoyedComment wrote: post #45
criticaltinker wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This happens when a comment is down-voted. Sometimes it happens to non-mainstream opinions being voiced, but more often it's because the comment is considered by others to be inflammatory or unsubstantiative. See the site guidelines for more details https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

I see. It only appears to happen thus far when it goes against the mainstream thought process. I'm sure I'll see some apolitical usage at some point, but I've yet to witness it. Thank you for your answer.

I've seen plenty of examples of it happening to apolitical comments in just the last few days. It's not uncommon.

It may be that you're predominantly clicking on and reading inherently political topics, and so getting a disproportional view of the trend.

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