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Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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ChrisKnott wrote: post #178
furi wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel it's a little disingenuous to describe millions of innocent people being surveilled as "the offenders" because there are a handful of actual offenders among them.

I didn't do that...? There's a small number of victims, a small number of offenders (but much more than "a handful"), and hundreds of millions of other users. This change is in the direct interest of victims, direct opposition to offenders. Most normal people probably support the measures in solidarity with group 1, HN generally doesn't.

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Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by sdoering »

optimiz3 wrote: post #177
endgame wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also saw the police query "check-in" databases which were pitched to the public as "for contact-tracing purposes only". Scope creep is inevitable.

Source? Most of these systems didn't disclose location.

In Germany police went around and even looked at contact tracing lists (on paper) in restaurants [1]. Even while politicians still stated publicly that these lists were only used (or to be used) for contact tracing.

[1]: https://www.golem.de/news/hamburg-polizei-nutzt-corona-konta...

Also the partly state sponsored luca app (check in in locations, festivals, restaurants, concerts) that is privately developed (and riddled with security holes) is already in discussion to use the data on the people to better target them for concert tickets and the like [2].

[2]: https://www.ccc.de/de/updates/2021/luca-app-ccc-fordert-bund...

So we see this data is already in abuse by the state and also by state sponsored private entities.

I believe, that this data, once collected, will only be (ab)used further in the future. In my experience it will be as with all data caches - somebody wants to create additional value from it.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by viktorcode »

What I find disturbing is that almost all commenters here took that rumour for a fact. There's nothing to substantiate it, there's no evidence of scan actually happening, and there's no historical precedence of similar thing done by Apple. And yet, people working in tech with supposedly developed critical thinking took the bait.

Why? Is it simply because it fits their world view?

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by sdoering »

sharken wrote: post #172
endgame wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also saw the police query "check-in" databases which were pitched to the public as "for contact-tracing purposes only". Scope creep is inevitable.

Do you have sources for this ?

See my answer to your sister comment from @optimiz3

In Germany police requested contact tracing lists from restaurants in investigations.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by quenix »

echelon wrote: post #146
akersten wrote: post #100

If you like this, I have some other innovations that you may be interested in: * A car that automatically pulls over when a police cruiser attempts to intercept you * A front door that unlocks when a cop knocks * A camera that uses AI to detect and prevent the photography of minors, police, and critical infrastructure * A Smart TV that counts the number of people in your living room to ensure you aren't performing an…

> Your own device should not betray you. Apple devices already betray their "owners", and they've been doing it for a long time. You can't repair them. You can't run your own software. You can't use a better, more compliant web browser. Businesses have to pay a 30% tax. Businesses are forced to use login with Apple and forfeit a customer relationship. Businesses have to dance to appease Apple. Their software gets ban…

While these things are reprehensible, I don't see much of them as "betraying" me, the user, as much as I do this new tool.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by vincnetas »

This might be unpopular opinion but catching people sharing CP images is like catching end users of drugs. Yes it's illegal but the real criminals are the ones producing drugs. But it's very difficult to get to them, so you just arrest end users.

Another side note is about near future when someone comes up with synthetic CP images, will they also be criminalised?

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by a-dub »

j-james wrote: post #122
bigiain wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stop. Using. Apple. But is there a realistically better alternative? Pinephone with a personally audited Linux distro? A jailbroken Android device with a non-stock firmware that you built yourself? A homebuilt RaspberryPi based device? A paper notepad and a film camera and an out of print street map?

An Android device running non-stock is a realistically better scenario. The big problem there is that the state of Android drivers means your hardware options are severely cut down (in practice, to a selection about the size of Apple's - the Pixel line and some assorted others).

do you still get patches via google play services?
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