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Does the Tuskegee experiment explain black vaccination rates?

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Re: Does the Tuskegee experiment explain black vaccination rates?

#11
It seems like the Tuskegee narrative could have been correct when vaccines were first rolled out. At that time, front-line and medical workers were being urged to get vaccinated. These populations have a disproportionate share of minorities, so it would have been plausible that they would have felt like guinea pigs.

But now that people of all races are being vaccinated, this idea doesn't make sense anymore.

Re: Does the Tuskegee experiment explain black vaccination rates?

#12
post #5

> I would guess that awareness of the Tuskegee Experiment and black history more generally is greater among those with higher education than those with lower education. If this guess is right, then knowledge of historical racist medical abuses is actually strongly correlated with getting the vaccine. This correlation appears meaningless in light of the previous paragraph. > As with the population in general and every…

To show that awareness of Tuskegee is, if anything, negatively correlated with vaccination rate, and therefore unlikely to be the driver of lower vaccination rates among Blacks. Edit: Correction: As crackercrews pointed out, I wrote "negatively correlated", when I should have written "positively correlated".

This also conflates institutionalized schooling with knowledge of Tuskegee (as well as education == institutionalized schooling, but this is typical among many)

Re: Does the Tuskegee experiment explain black vaccination rates?

#13

> This theory checks off certain boxes that make it resonate well within current discourse frameworks, but it doesn’t really make a lot of sense. If the coronavirus vaccines were only being given to black people, then you could see how someone might reason that it is a trick. But they are being given to everyone, including over 100 million white people. Are we meant to think that black people who aren’t getting the v…

Dude is trying too hard. The rationale is simple “the govt is clearly willing to harm a group of people so why should I trust them?”

It’s not that the vaccine is another example of minorities being targeted, it’s an example of where the govt say “trust us” and minority groups have a bit more historical awareness where the govt said that and lied.

Re: Does the Tuskegee experiment explain black vaccination rates?

#14
post #3

The article would be more useful if, along with the table of black vaccination rates vs educational level, it had the tables for other racial groups.

On the other hand, it's a single guy challenging the conventional wisdom we hear pervasively from the prestige media with some very simple, obvious reasoning and basic data. He deserves some credit for that.

> I would guess that awareness of the Tuskegee Experiment and black history more generally is greater among those with higher education than those with lower education. If this guess is right...

He's starting with an assumption that disregards any factors that could make the hypothesis he's trying to disprove correct, and so of course the statistics come out in his favor.

Re: Does the Tuskegee experiment explain black vaccination rates?

#15
ISTR some states are asking people for their insurance details - and while refusing to give details or being uninsured won’t preclude you from getting the vaccine, I could understand how that would could act as a disincentive to poorer folk to getting vaccinated.

Re: Does the Tuskegee experiment explain black vaccination rates?

#16
post #13

> This theory checks off certain boxes that make it resonate well within current discourse frameworks, but it doesn’t really make a lot of sense. If the coronavirus vaccines were only being given to black people, then you could see how someone might reason that it is a trick. But they are being given to everyone, including over 100 million white people. Are we meant to think that black people who aren’t getting the v…

Dude is trying too hard. The rationale is simple “the govt is clearly willing to harm a group of people so why should I trust them?” It’s not that the vaccine is another example of minorities being targeted, it’s an example of where the govt say “trust us” and minority groups have a bit more historical awareness where the govt said that and lied.

> I would guess that awareness of the Tuskegee Experiment and black history more generally is greater among those with higher education than those with lower education. If this guess is right, then knowledge of historical racist medical abuses is actually strongly correlated with getting the vaccine.

Re: Does the Tuskegee experiment explain black vaccination rates?

#17
I'd say the high rates of refusal to take the vaccine lie in groups of people who distrust the government

9-11 truthers JFK conspiracies Fbi vs MLK/civil rights movement The multiple nefarious actions of the cia Distrust of law enforcement by various factions

If you believe your government has actively worked to harm you, you tend to take everything with a grain of salt

Re: Does the Tuskegee experiment explain black vaccination rates?

#18
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, it's a single guy challenging the conventional wisdom we hear pervasively from the prestige media with some very simple, obvious reasoning and basic data. He deserves some credit for that.

> I would guess that awareness of the Tuskegee Experiment and black history more generally is greater among those with higher education than those with lower education. If this guess is right... He's starting with an assumption that disregards any factors that could make the hypothesis he's trying to disprove correct, and so of course the statistics come out in his favor.

If you read the post, he actually starts with a couple simple observations that show why the theory is ridiculous.

It's a very short post. About a two minute read. No guesswork needed about assumptions he's making, you can just read the post for yourself.

Re: Does the Tuskegee experiment explain black vaccination rates?

#19
This doesn't seem like a hard question to answer. Black americans are underserved by the health care system in basically all other ways. They see fewer doctors, have fewer clinics in neighborhoods where they make up majorities, get fewer referrals from the same doctors, get discharged faster and receive less treatment for the same conditions... I don't have links, but studies like this are everywhere.

So, to me the question is just "Are black americans actually responding differently to the vaccine campaign at all, or are we just measuring an effect that's been there forever?"

Re: Does the Tuskegee experiment explain black vaccination rates?

#20
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude is trying too hard. The rationale is simple “the govt is clearly willing to harm a group of people so why should I trust them?” It’s not that the vaccine is another example of minorities being targeted, it’s an example of where the govt say “trust us” and minority groups have a bit more historical awareness where the govt said that and lied.

> I would guess that awareness of the Tuskegee Experiment and black history more generally is greater among those with higher education than those with lower education. If this guess is right, then knowledge of historical racist medical abuses is actually strongly correlated with getting the vaccine.

That's way too big of a hypothetical to make any of the statistics derived from it worth anything.
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