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Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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“ The Daily Caller first reported the multimillion-dollar expenditures on June 8, based on an 86-page Justice Department filing dated June 1.” [0] https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/08/chinese-propaganda-china-... [1] https://efile.fara.gov/docs/3457-Amendment-20200601-2.pdf

The FARA source doesn't support your conclusion here, which leaves the Daily Caller, which is a white supremacist rag that Tucker Carlson puts out. In other words, you have no evidence to support this.

@dang, what’s the idea here?

Are we allowed to slander groups if they’re not here to represent themselves? For example, I would never write something like ‘baritone.org is a crypto-homophobic site that Jeff Fields maintains.” is that okay?

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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post #86

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The FARA source doesn't support your conclusion here, which leaves the Daily Caller, which is a white supremacist rag that Tucker Carlson puts out. In other words, you have no evidence to support this.

@dang, what’s the idea here? Are we allowed to slander groups if they’re not here to represent themselves? For example, I would never write something like ‘baritone.org is a crypto-homophobic site that Jeff Fields maintains.” is that okay?

Is it slander if the Daily Caller’s Wikipedia article has an entire section titled “Ties to White Supremacists”?

I don’t think the Daily Caller is a white supremacist organization, but they do have a curious amount of ties to white supremacists.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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The link leads to a reddit post, which leads to another reddit post, which leads to this article in Swiss: https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/hsg-und-china-kritik-auf-twitter-... I can't read Swiss... but the comments on Reddit seem to show that this isn't as cut and dry as the title makes it sound. Quoting /u/hamsterman20: > "First of all, he was going to a chinese university with a chinese scholarship. > He left the swiss…

Lol, it's German. There is no Swiss language. We speak German, French, Italian and Romansch here.

Sorry! Genuine mistake, should've probably looked it up before posting :/

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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> Als seine Freundin einige der Tweets sieht, ist sie schockiert. Sie bittet ihn am Telefon, damit aufzuhören. Nicht weil sie bei allem anderer Meinung wäre. Sondern weil sie sich vor Repressionen der chinesischen Regierung fürchtet. «Ich bin in der Schweiz, nicht in China», antwortet er. «Hier kann ich sagen, was ich will.» Translation: When his girlfriend saw some of his tweets she's aghast. She's asking him on the…

What bothers me about this whole ordeal is the fact that the Chinese gov seems to keep a watch on pretty much anyone's social media it seems. This guy supposedly had like 10 to 20 followers, and the tweet in question was only a reply. It reminds me of the time when some athlete (if my memory serves me right) expressed sympathy with HK protests, and was made to apologize to the Chinese gov. But this guy is much less k…

> What bothers me about this whole ordeal is the fact that the Chinese gov seems to keep a watch on pretty much anyone's social media it seems.

It's more likely that the Chinese government gives social credit for finding and outing such "troublemakers".

Thus the "Chinese student in Canada" sending the complaint.

By doing that, the Chinese government doesn't have to police everywhere. There will always be suckups willing to throw other people under the bus for tiny amounts of gain.

This is not unique to China.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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(Spoken) Swiss German might as well be its own language. At least since we are already accepting Dutch being different from (Low) German. Of course in this case, the write-up is in standard high German. Google Translate handles that just fine.

The problem there is that there is no standardization across all the Swiss German variations, for foreigners, this is an interesting comparison of 5 of these dialects: https://youtu.be/nEAcepckl5U

Yes. I suppose the lack of standardization is a consequence of Swiss German not having a long history of cross-regional use in national media (be that print or radio or TV).

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Deep down in the reddit comments there is a statement from the university, which mentioned "The former supervisor's desire to clearly distance herself is understandable when an accusation of racism is in the air." Some other comments also mentioned a "racist cartoon". It is also mentioned in the report: https://www.nzz.ch/english/swiss-phd-students-dismissal-spot... > The writer accuses Gerber of a «racist attack on…

We currently have a severe moral panic on the topic of racism. Almost everyone accused and not distancing themselves from anything that could be remotely associated with it makes someone guilty.

Just to remember: Racism is if you attribute properties to races, a very unscientific term, and think yourself superior to others due to these properties. Luckily, that is a quite rare occurrence today.

It doesn't have anything to do with power, it doesn't have anything to do with privilege and most people accused of it are innocent. There are exceptions of course.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Союз Советских Социалистических Республик

The next major American geopolitical rival will have to use the acronym CP to continue the trend

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_palsy

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Here's also a statement by the HSG regarding the article in the NZZ: https://www.unisg.ch/de/wissen/newsroom/aktuell/rssnews/camp... According to the statement, the student tried "to force his re-acceptance to the phd-program with legal and political means". To be honest, I'm not quite sure what to make out of the whole situation (as a Swiss, originally from the area of St. Gallen, where the school is). I would be he…

Replying to the university's claim directly: > Der Wunsch der ehemaligen Betreuerin, sich klar zu distanzieren, ist nachvollziehbar, wenn ein Rassismus-... "Nachvollziehbar" mag sein, wenn -- warte mal, was war das da mit dem "Rassismus"? > ...Vorwurf im Raum steht. Nein. Wenn was "im Raum steht" ein blosser "Vorwurf" ist, dann erwewist die ehemalige Betreuerin sich mit ihrer übereilten Distanzierung als Vollblut-Ars…

From https://www.nzz.ch/english/swiss-phd-students-dismissal-spot... :

> The professor said she had informed Gerber that he was no longer allowed to represent himself as a St. Gallen doctoral student on Twitter, because he had deregistered the previous year. «This has nothing whatsoever to do with the issues of China or censorship,» she said. She said it was only an oversight that she had used the plural in referring to «angry emails from China,» despite receiving only one email – and that one originating from Canada. She had wanted to make it clear that further reactions could be expected. The phrase «I would have to end our advisory relationship» had referred to the informal advice she had provided «at the doctoral student's request,» she said. The fact that Gerber had continued to be listed as a student on the St. Gallen website until the end of March was due simply to an oversight, she added.

Yeah, right. Every little piece of evidence that the University, and this professor in particular, is twisting the truth is just "an oversight", "making it clear", "informal advice", and another "oversight", which all of course have "nothing whatsoever to do with the issues of China or censorship". Rings soooo true... Not. (So thanks a whole lot for the downvote, that's always such a convincing counterargument.)

BTW, for those of us who can read German, here's an archived copy of the original: https://archive.is/l433X

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Oliver Gerber is not a real name, it would be not trivial to find his twitter account. Not quite impossible too, but still too much hassle for most people (myself included).

Why it's not a real name?

That's what the article says, I'm not sure why. He might think it will harm his career even further I guess?

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Shit report. 1. Would you dare not post the student's tweets and cartoons? Let everyone judge whether it is racist, and whether the doctoral student's actions are justified, whether his Chinese girlfriend's feelings are hurt, and whether his actions can go uncondemned in the name of freedom?

2. He was no longer a student at the University of St Gallen, "because he had deregistered the previous year".

3. Since there is no longer a formal supervised relationship, what's wrong with distancing yourself from the doctor because you don't agree with his actions and opinions? Doesn't the professor have that right and freedom?

4. Shouldn't any racial discrimination be condemned? Or should it be forgiven because it was directed at China? Isn't it ingratitude and biting the hand that feeds you that you are racially discriminating against Chinese people and stigmatizing them as the source of COVID-19 while having lived in China and studied for a PhD in China and on a Chinese scholarship?

5. The professor according to their own views and quoted the reaction of friends decided to terminate the guidance of residual this informal relationship, it is a personal affairs, but to drag China into the picture and make it out that China is putting pressure on the world and undermining the independence and freedom of Swiss education, and to make China a terrible threat. This is not a slur on China, but more an insult to Switzerland.

When will the news media truly treat its readers as independent, thinking individuals rather than objects of brainwashing and propaganda?

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