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Re: Netflix announces Space X documentary on civilian mission into orbit

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Post by tpmx » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 10:28 PM UTC

IanClarke wrote: post #50

tpmx wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn't they have been wearing helmets when filming that segment? It was a quite busy work site with high altitude work (so a risk of dropping tools etc).

In the beginning of the video they were high up and I feared Elon could fall to his death and that would bring "all of human's progress to a halt". They not only work 24 hours and 7 days a week (In 12 hour shifts: 3 days and 4 days in a row, then 3/4 days off), but they also rush things, with tight deadlines, ofc. top-notch workers/engineers, but still. No fatalities while working like this (I googled it the other da…

Yeah. But wearing a helmet isn't cool, so...

Re: Netflix announces Space X documentary on civilian mission into orbit

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Post by IanClarke » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 10:46 PM UTC

tpmx wrote: post #51

IanClarke wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the beginning of the video they were high up and I feared Elon could fall to his death and that would bring "all of human's progress to a halt". They not only work 24 hours and 7 days a week (In 12 hour shifts: 3 days and 4 days in a row, then 3/4 days off), but they also rush things, with tight deadlines, ofc. top-notch workers/engineers, but still. No fatalities while working like this (I googled it the other da…

Yeah. But wearing a helmet isn't cool, so...

Elon's new, transplanted hair.

He is very proud of it in the video, combing through it with his hand all the time. Especially with his current new hair-style: Short on the sides, long on the back and top - a rebell, cyberpunk, cybertruck-t-shirt on.

He looks great,... today. Gone are the years where he was bullied keeping his nose in the books and -though coming from a modelling-family (his mother)- being (looking) rather nerdy/"average"... a bit sleepy (when he was younger), going from a "nerdy" looking teenager to losing his front-hair as a young man.

I envy people that can fix their appearance with a beauty surgery. Most can't and of those that try, a lot do not look so good afterwards.

Re: Netflix announces Space X documentary on civilian mission into orbit

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Post by cryptoz » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 11:09 PM UTC

Denvercoder9 wrote: post #46

ben_w wrote: post #24

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Sounds plausible. Musk’s target price is essentially a rounding error compared to the budgets of Gravity or The Martian .

> Musk’s target price is essentially a rounding error compared to the budgets of Gravity or The Martian. Do we even know Musk's target price for a return-trip to the moon? It's very hard to extrapolate from the $10/kg figure ($1M/launch) that keeps getting quoted, as a return-trip to the moon without discarding a Starship (which will blow up the cost enormously) will involve a lot of launches. Even the HLS architectu…

Roughly, I think his plan for a Mars ticket (move there, optionally come back later) is the price of a modest home in California, say $300-500k or something. And a ticket from like London to Singapore on the E2E Starship idea would be about business class prices today, which I don't know, but let's guess $10k.

So I think using this silly method, I would personally expect the price of a moon round trip to be maybe $100k. That's just market-pricing guesses though, I do not know what the costs of such a trip would actually be. But again, Elon does like to set a price target for the public and then do the engineering and production required to meet that target, so I would be surprised to see something less than an E2E hop or more than a Mars ticket, to go to the Moon and come back.

Re: Netflix announces Space X documentary on civilian mission into orbit

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Post by slownews45 » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 11:09 PM UTC

devfromanatolia wrote: post #31

Netflix has become an advertisement platform for certain companies/ideologies/people rather than a media streaming platform. Which is a problem because it has no like/comment functionality that can (theoretically) filter false/exaggerated advertisement. On the other hand, which media platform is actually not an advertisement platform? That's a whole another debate.

Netflix is a business. If you think they should be supporting your ideology dream on. They are making good money right now.

Netflix earned a net profit of $1,353 million in the second quarter of 2021, which is an 88% improvement over the result a year earlier.

Market cap is going to be > $200B.

When the tides of user preference change - they will change with them.

Re: Netflix announces Space X documentary on civilian mission into orbit

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Post by postmeta » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 11:12 PM UTC

spikels wrote: post #27

InTheArena wrote: post #6

The recent interview of Elon by Tim Dodd is probably more informative and interesting this this could ever be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw

Came here to post that video. Awesome! My favorite part: Elon's 5-Step Design/Development Process: (1) Fix "Dumb" Requirements (2) Remove Unnecessary Parts/Processes (3) Simplify/Optimize (4) Speed Up Cycle Time (5) Automate

1a. tie requirements to a person not group

Re: Netflix announces Space X documentary on civilian mission into orbit

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Post by Denvercoder9 » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 11:26 PM UTC

cryptoz wrote: post #53

Denvercoder9 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Musk’s target price is essentially a rounding error compared to the budgets of Gravity or The Martian. Do we even know Musk's target price for a return-trip to the moon? It's very hard to extrapolate from the $10/kg figure ($1M/launch) that keeps getting quoted, as a return-trip to the moon without discarding a Starship (which will blow up the cost enormously) will involve a lot of launches. Even the HLS architectu…

Roughly, I think his plan for a Mars ticket (move there, optionally come back later) is the price of a modest home in California, say $300-500k or something. And a ticket from like London to Singapore on the E2E Starship idea would be about business class prices today, which I don't know, but let's guess $10k. So I think using this silly method, I would personally expect the price of a moon round trip to be maybe $10…

If prices get that low in his lifetime, that'd be one of humanity's greatest achievements. I'm skeptical, but happy to be proven wrong.

Re: Netflix announces Space X documentary on civilian mission into orbit

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Post by gkiely » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 11:42 PM UTC

spikels wrote: post #27

InTheArena wrote: post #6

The recent interview of Elon by Tim Dodd is probably more informative and interesting this this could ever be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw

Came here to post that video. Awesome! My favorite part: Elon's 5-Step Design/Development Process: (1) Fix "Dumb" Requirements (2) Remove Unnecessary Parts/Processes (3) Simplify/Optimize (4) Speed Up Cycle Time (5) Automate

"If parts are not being added back into the design at least 10% of the time, not enough parts are being deleted."

I am struggling to understand this one.

Is he saying that you should remove parts on a routine basis, like a "remove parts/processes" meeting every month and then re-adding them back in once you find they're needed.

Or is he saying when you get a list of requirements, remove parts/processes related to those requirements and then re-add them once you find they're needed?

Or is it something else entirely?

Re: Netflix announces Space X documentary on civilian mission into orbit

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Post by Retric » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 12:32 AM UTC

gkiely wrote: post #57

spikels wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came here to post that video. Awesome! My favorite part: Elon's 5-Step Design/Development Process: (1) Fix "Dumb" Requirements (2) Remove Unnecessary Parts/Processes (3) Simplify/Optimize (4) Speed Up Cycle Time (5) Automate

"If parts are not being added back into the design at least 10% of the time, not enough parts are being deleted." I am struggling to understand this one. Is he saying that you should remove parts on a routine basis, like a "remove parts/processes" meeting every month and then re-adding them back in once you find they're needed. Or is he saying when you get a list of requirements, remove parts/processes related to tho…

He’s talking about physical parts and manufacturing processes. For example laser etching a part number might might not be worth it. If nobody can justify why it’s needed then why not skip it.

Re: Netflix announces Space X documentary on civilian mission into orbit

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Post by gkiely » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 1:58 AM UTC

Retric wrote: post #58

gkiely wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If parts are not being added back into the design at least 10% of the time, not enough parts are being deleted." I am struggling to understand this one. Is he saying that you should remove parts on a routine basis, like a "remove parts/processes" meeting every month and then re-adding them back in once you find they're needed. Or is he saying when you get a list of requirements, remove parts/processes related to tho…

He’s talking about physical parts and manufacturing processes. For example laser etching a part number might might not be worth it. If nobody can justify why it’s needed then why not skip it.

Got it, thank you!

Re: Netflix announces Space X documentary on civilian mission into orbit

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Post by TMWNN » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 2:21 AM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #21

_Microft wrote: post #16

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Indeed, even though that has not been that different on the crew rotation flights to ISS. Doug Hurley (iirc - might have been Bob Behnken instead?) got to fly Crew Dragon manually during the first crewed mission "Demo 2" but the spacecraft is meant to bring people where they should be all by itself (and with help from ground control).

The ISS is a special case. That requires a pilot who can take manual control should the docking system go wrong. A stuck jet on approach could shatter the station and so you need someone who can take over and make very fast avoidance decisions. The recent incident with a docked module was a huge reminder of those dangers.

>The ISS is a special case. That requires a pilot who can take manual control should the docking system go wrong.

Yes, but the criteria for being that pilot has changed. Shane Kimbrough and Megan McArthur were Crew-2's commander and pilot. NASA hired both as mission specialists; neither would ever have been hired as shuttle pilots, as they don't have high-performance jet pilot experience (100% a requirement since NASA Astronaut Group 2) and neither went to test pilot school (not always a requirement, but pretty close to being so). I don't see any mention of fixed-wing flight experience in Kimbrough's NASA biography, something many mission specialists do have on their own.

SpaceX has enough confidence in its systems to have people like Kimbrough and McArthur piloting spacecraft, which is a testament to their training and SpaceX's fly-by-wire systems. But the piloting they do is very simplified to what shuttle and previous NASA spacecraft required.