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I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Folks - if someone you know is not vaccinated at this point in time (in the US) - it's entirely on them if they get sick. And guess what - they already know this, made that decision, and nothing you rant and rave about is going to change it. Quit trying to drum up some mandatory vaccine rhetoric - or villianize these people. Just leave them alone and go about your life in whatever way you think is appropriate for you…

Children exist.

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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I respect the profession, but I cannot expect this doctor knows much or anything about the mechanisms by which these "vaccines" work. They aren't biochemists or medical researchers, they are years behind the data if not decades, often times. There are reasons to be aprehensive, especially given the nature of the adverse reactions, it is fair to speculate interactions with very important genes regulating transcription, non-canonical structures and even oncogenes.

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO Most of the "unvaccinated" are that way because they've already had covid and would rather be part of the control group for this large experiment. I just don't buy articles like this for the reason you stated.

You would be the first person that I've heard say hey I already got it, therefore I'm not getting vaccinated. Even if you've gotten covid, go get vaccinated

> You would be the first person that I've heard say hey I already got it, therefore I'm not getting vaccinated.

The first person I heard say he's not getting vaccinated is a relative who had Covid. He was convinced by an uncle who's an ambulance driver (who later got vaccinated because they forced him and couldn't afford to lose his job).

> Even if you've gotten covid, go get vaccinated

Don't give people medical advice unless you're their personal doctor.

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This reads like a fluff piece to hype a “pandemic” who barley killed as much people as the diarrhoea has in the same lapse of time. Not a single word about treatments other than artificial ventilation. Ivermectin as controversial as it may be but also antibody therapy seem to be completely ignored in this article just as in most hospitals.

Looking at the CDC's annual death stats[0], the pandemic would be the number three killer, and that's after all the extreme measures we've taken.

Where does this diarrhea comparison come from?

[0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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I just visited my grandmother's sister's family in the villages. They're not vaccinated at all, because they think that the vaccine is more dangerous than the Delta variant.

I was much more sad than angry, especially not at them: the political system confused people too much. I think we should all do what we can for unvaccinated people, but at this time it's all their personal responsability even if the misinformation was created on purpuse.

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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post #2

I can. I got my shots as soon as I could, but I know lots of people that will never do it. Yesterday I was eating at a ramen shop - traffic was slow, so I got to listen to the bulletproof young man waiting tables talk to his friend at length about how he'd never get the shot, just like the flu, I'm not an anti-vaxxer - but, I don't wear tinfoil hats - but. The list of reasons not to do it was long and apparently conv…

OK, so what were those reasons?

The most convincing one was a version of "what if in 20 years they're running those ads like they did for mesothelioma?"

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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I can. I got my shots as soon as I could, but I know lots of people that will never do it. Yesterday I was eating at a ramen shop - traffic was slow, so I got to listen to the bulletproof young man waiting tables talk to his friend at length about how he'd never get the shot, just like the flu, I'm not an anti-vaxxer - but, I don't wear tinfoil hats - but. The list of reasons not to do it was long and apparently conv…

I'm curious, if you are young, what are the reasons to get vaccinated?

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Once upon a time there was town called Statisticsville with a population of 1000 people. Every year around 8 people die. Sometimes 7, sometimes 9. One year, a new infectious disease came along and killed 2 additional people (both elderly). The population nearly had a civil war over these additional 2 deaths because some people thought the additional 2 deaths could have been prevented with better enforced public health practices while the other group thought it wasn't worth the social/economic costs. Looking forward to the next year, the people were still divided into two groups - those who were worried that the infectious disease might kill another person, and those that didn't really care much. The discord and contention between the groups escalated with each side increasingly rigid and unable to empathize with the other side until violence broke out and Statisticsville descended into anarchy.

The End

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

#49
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would be the first person that I've heard say hey I already got it, therefore I'm not getting vaccinated. Even if you've gotten covid, go get vaccinated

> You would be the first person that I've heard say hey I already got it, therefore I'm not getting vaccinated. The first person I heard say he's not getting vaccinated is a relative who had Covid. He was convinced by an uncle who's an ambulance driver (who later got vaccinated because they forced him and couldn't afford to lose his job). > Even if you've gotten covid, go get vaccinated Don't give people medical advi…

> Don't give people medical advice unless you're their personal doctor.

How about if you've already gotten covid, and are eligible to go get vaccinated, go get vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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post #42

I respect the profession, but I cannot expect this doctor knows much or anything about the mechanisms by which these "vaccines" work. They aren't biochemists or medical researchers, they are years behind the data if not decades, often times. There are reasons to be aprehensive, especially given the nature of the adverse reactions, it is fair to speculate interactions with very important genes regulating transcription…

> it is fair to speculate

Is it? Without cause or basis? If you had some of that, an expert might be able to answer your concerns. Comments like "it might give you cancer" only serve to Stoke more baseless fear.

And also remember that list of unknown adverse interactions is as long when contacting covid. Only that has a much higher rate of observed illness and death.

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