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Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by silicon2401 » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:24 PM UTC

alecst wrote: post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

> You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone eating takes off their mask right away?

I'd rather have a mask mandate, like we did earlier. Lacking one is ridiculous because it's trivial to lie and forge a vaccine card. First they said masks wouldn't help, then they said the vaccine was enough. Both steps have been wrong. Societies are being petulant and refusing to just skip to the effective option because they want to party and avoid cooking.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by trident5000 » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:24 PM UTC

clukic wrote: post #156

timr wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…

The vulnerable populations aren't vaccinated. The vaccination rate in Brooklyn for people 65+ is just a bit over 50% (51% white/54% African American). If cases keep rising I don't see any reason why hospitalizations and deaths won't follow. Unless the delta variant is less dangerous or treatments have improved tremendously. So, the options are 1)Stop indoor dining 2)Accept the public health implications or 3) Require…

Or you know, let people decide if they want to take a risk. What do I care if someone doesnt want to get vaccinated and put themselves at risk? Thats on them. Just like they can go bungee jump or drive a race car.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by preinheimer » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:24 PM UTC

timr wrote: post #129

alecst wrote: post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…

> And literally anyone who wants a vaccine can get one.

Completely false. There's several groups that might want the vaccine that can't get it. Including: children and the immuno compromised.

32 kids were hospitalized in one week in Alabama last month. A state with half the population of NYC.

https://www.al.com/coronavirus/2021/07/infant-among-children...

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:25 PM UTC

usaar333 wrote: post #215

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the goal here is to increase the vaccination rate The goal is to avoid overloading the hospital system. Vaccinated people spreading the Delta variant amongst each other is not going to do that. Unvaccinated people getting sick will.

Is there evidence NYC's hospital system could be overloaded? UK just peaked ( https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/); Does NYC have significantly worse vaccine coverage in vulnerable populations or worse capacity?

> Is there evidence NYC's hospital system could be overloaded?

My friend, a plastic surgeon, was drafted to tend to an entire floor of folks on ventilators. No other doctors. Occasionally, an exhausted nurse. He spent the last twenty years doing face lifts. I think some patients were in doctor’s offices.

We also halted surgeries and cancer patients’ visits and hosts of other stuff to keep the strained system from going New Delhi.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by JoshTko » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:26 PM UTC

imwillofficial wrote: post #222

JoshTko wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A high vaccination rate is most beneficial for poor and minority populations as they are by far the most exposed to the virus via work.

This seriously needs a cite. First time I've heard this claim.

You need a citation to understand which part? That poor people most often have service jobs such as retail or food service? That service jobs are higher risk for Covid transmission than white collar jobs? Or that poor people have few resources to address health issues if they get Covid?

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by _-david-_ » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:26 PM UTC

platz wrote: post #144

timr wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…

> if you are fully vaccinated, you are at essentially no risk of serious illness from SARS-CoV2. For now...

We should never allow people to go outside. There is just too big of a risk of serious illness.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by grllierg » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:26 PM UTC

Fuck everyone on this thread that supports this. You all should kill yourselves now.

FUCK YOUR VACCINES. FUCK YOUR VACCINES. FUCK YOUR VACCINES.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by davidf18 » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:27 PM UTC

timr wrote: post #129

alecst wrote: post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…

I live in NYC.

I can't tell you how important it is to keep people who are unvaccinated away from those of us who are vaccinated.

For those that don't know, NYC has very crowded indoors situations because of the cost of real estate. We are all close together.

No sympathy whatsoever for those who refuse to get a vaccine and even offered $100 to get the vaccine.

People never have the right to infect another human being. That is just the way it is.

No "rights" supersede the right to not be infected by non-vaccinated people. None.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by standardUser » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:27 PM UTC

chitowneats wrote: post #148

cratermoon wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people who are vaccinated can still transmit the virus Just FYI, a vaccinated person, like anyone else, can only transmit the virus if they have a symptomatic breakthrough case.

So you're saying there's no such thing as asymptomatic spread of COVID-19? Isn't asymptomatic spread a primary reason for the unprecedented restrictions and mass testing? Edit: Down voters, I would appreciate an explanation for the down votes. Am I missing something simple or is OP mistaken?

You are (mostly) correct. It is pre-symptomatic transmission that has driven most of the spread. By comparison, asymptomatic carriers have been shown in studies to spread the virus much less effectively. People can still get infected after being vaccinated (or having recovered naturally), but they are far more likely to have a truly asymptomatic case and therefore less likely to spread the virus.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by grllierg » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:27 PM UTC

alecst wrote: post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

Fuck you fascist!

Burn in hell!