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Re: South Korea: The only middle power of its kind

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Post by pcurve »

mrpopo wrote: post #409
pcurve wrote: post #367

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I think there are pros/cons of car culture and systems in both countries. Japan's car-ownership experience is rather hostile. Expensive tolls, Shaken inspection, and higher price tags than SK. In a way, this benefits tourists because streets are cleaner, cars are newer, and people tend to drive less. In Korea, it's flipped. It's great place for car ownership. But from tourists POV, it's chaos. As much as I love Japan…

Almost everywhere in Japan is accessible without a car. Car-ownership doesn't make sense for most people.

Within metro areas? I agree. Go outside a bit? Cars are mighty convenient.

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Post by garden_hermit »

Sammi wrote: post #322
garden_hermit wrote: post #291

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Studies mostly show that, in the long run, family-based immigration policies lead to more economic growth than the "best and brightest". Basically, forming immigrant communities is useful—they provide support to new entrants, and lead to better outcomes for everyone. Importing a few educated doctors, rather than families or broader populations, leads to less long-term benefit.

Interesting. Would love a source.

try this one out:

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Integration-Parado...

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Post by soperj »

rjzzleep wrote: post #377
soperj wrote: post #111

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>2. Most of these societies expect women to work or have their husband take care of them. Maternity leave is in some aspects as bad as or worse than in the US. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, looks like Korea has a year, just split into maternity and parental, and Japan has a year off for both mother and father, although the father seldom takes it. Which countries are comparable to the US?

Where did you get this number from ? I see 90 days. 60 paid full and if its anything like other Asian countries there a pretty low limit for the partial paid part. Maybe you can take a year but you will almost certainly not keep your job afterwards. I guess 45 days after birth is much better than most US jurisdictions. If the father does get it and doesn’t take it it will most certainly also be because of fear of pun…

the 90 days is just maternity leave. For parental leave you have a year, and by law you can't lose your job.

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Post by CrimpCity »

calmd wrote: post #40
CrimpCity wrote: post #30

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Can you link to your previous thread? I’m just curious if you considered military concerns since war is a young man’s game as they say.

I think robotized war changes the equation a bit here. At least with regards to non-adjacent conflicts. But for adjacent conflicts between non-superpowers, if one area is depopulated, it may be much easier to walk in and keep that territory.

I'm no military strategist I just play one on the internet aka I'm about to talk some shit haha so take it with a grain of salt.

Robotic war is interesting and specifically drone warefare in my mind is similar to the role carriers played in World War 2 which is having a great cost benefit ratio along with great flexibility on damaging enemy ships and allowing longer range bombing runs. I agree that killer robots would definitely alter the battlefield equation but over the long run I think youth should still get the edge.

Having said all of that based on WW2 technological advantages eventually get countered or erode in a war of attrition with the largest industrial base eventually winning by simple over production and/or reducing the enemy's industrial capacity through strategic bombing of factories / input resources.

Either way in a total war scenario where attrition crowns the eventual winner devising counter measures and other cognitive work in general is easier when workers are Additionally, a country needs to be able to simply replace it's productive experienced workers with new workers after it's factories get bombed and having a fatter more numerous population pyramid would definitely help. It's also entirely possible that robotic workers / automated factories get degraded over time due to missing parts when the enemy blows up supply chains or other resources required to get the to full robo productivity.

To sum up my entire argument/assumption youth + more population is robust to the chaos of war.

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Post by cheriot »

ilammy wrote: post #417
cheriot wrote: post #246

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Every child born is a "bare illiterate human". Are you also making an argument against having children? If you want to be really draconian about it, immigration can select for people with skills where the home populate will always have the same average of innate abilities.

Children have a lifetime ahead to learn and grow, as opposed to illiterate adults who are handicapped at that since they are past their prime neurological and societal plasticity.

Except for the immigrants that created the Pfizer vaccine, right? Those two worked out.

Also, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109095162...

There's more than enough research that we don't need this, "prime neurological and societal plasticity" pseudoscience.

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Post by mrpopo »

pcurve wrote: post #431
mrpopo wrote: post #409

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Almost everywhere in Japan is accessible without a car. Car-ownership doesn't make sense for most people.

Within metro areas? I agree. Go outside a bit? Cars are mighty convenient.

And Japan's urbanization rate is 92%, so car ownership in Japan doesn't make sense for most people.

I've been to tons of tourist spots and onsens in Miyagi by train/shuttle bus with no issue.

In Korea, because of the high car penetration rate for young people and new families, many attractions are inaccessible without a car.

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Post by fomine3 »

mrpopo wrote: post #436
pcurve wrote: post #431

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Within metro areas? I agree. Go outside a bit? Cars are mighty convenient.

And Japan's urbanization rate is 92%, so car ownership in Japan doesn't make sense for most people. I've been to tons of tourist spots and onsens in Miyagi by train/shuttle bus with no issue. In Korea, because of the high car penetration rate for young people and new families, many attractions are inaccessible without a car.

"Urban area" doesn't mean people don't need car for living. Maybe threshold of "urban" is too low than we think.

You're just a tourist so you may can't see everything, but didn't you saw many small/family cars run on Miyagi at trip? Sendai city in Miyagi, maybe ranked TOP 10 city for great public transport in Japan, 75% of family still buy at least a one car. Rest of the place is far worse than Miyagi for transport. Of course they buy cars becaues it makes sense.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1027885/japan-share-car-...

https://www.eidaihouse.com/support/column/334/

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Post by mrpopo »

fomine3 wrote: post #437
mrpopo wrote: post #436

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And Japan's urbanization rate is 92%, so car ownership in Japan doesn't make sense for most people. I've been to tons of tourist spots and onsens in Miyagi by train/shuttle bus with no issue. In Korea, because of the high car penetration rate for young people and new families, many attractions are inaccessible without a car.

"Urban area" doesn't mean people don't need car for living. Maybe threshold of "urban" is too low than we think. You're just a tourist so you may can't see everything, but didn't you saw many small/family cars run on Miyagi at trip? Sendai city in Miyagi, maybe ranked TOP 10 city for great public transport in Japan, 75% of family still buy at least a one car. Rest of the place is far worse than Miyagi for transport.…

I lived in sendai for 3 years, and I have lived in Seoul currently for 5 years. Sendai Station has a giant underground bicycle parking, the likes of which I've never seen in Korea.

There are cars in Japan, of course. Families own one because it's convenient, of course. Also there are more cars in Japan than Korea, mostly because more people can afford it. But I'm quite sure that, at comparable income levels, Koreans own more cars per capita.

Korea has a very car-centric infrastructure, and people own massive cars, and drive recklessly, because the roads allow you to and people are used to it. Children are taught to never cross the road if they see a car, no matter if they have the right to cross or not.

I'm not saying Japan is a car-free country, of course. But car culture and car safety is a lot more reasonable.

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Post by fomine3 »

mrpopo wrote: post #438
fomine3 wrote: post #437

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"Urban area" doesn't mean people don't need car for living. Maybe threshold of "urban" is too low than we think. You're just a tourist so you may can't see everything, but didn't you saw many small/family cars run on Miyagi at trip? Sendai city in Miyagi, maybe ranked TOP 10 city for great public transport in Japan, 75% of family still buy at least a one car. Rest of the place is far worse than Miyagi for transport.…

I lived in sendai for 3 years, and I have lived in Seoul currently for 5 years. Sendai Station has a giant underground bicycle parking, the likes of which I've never seen in Korea. There are cars in Japan, of course. Families own one because it's convenient, of course. Also there are more cars in Japan than Korea, mostly because more people can afford it. But I'm quite sure that, at comparable income levels, Koreans…

Totally agreed for sendai.

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calmd wrote: post #7

SK is committing demographic suicide though, so whatever you think of its success, it has a pretty fatal disease. It has the lowest birthrate in the world. This is going to cause significant economic problems quite soon, or they will have to open up massive immigration which will completely change the country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_birth_rate_in_South_Korea How does the developed world pull out of this ty…

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