Earlier quoted context omitted.
What kind of work was he doing for them to try to sell to him? Same with the job interview?
> What kind of work was he doing for them to try to sell to him? Same with the job interview? My understanding is that the oil and gas industry is pretty heavy needs for scientific computation and data visualization. That's how they discover new places to drill.
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> What kind of work was he doing for them to try to sell to him? Same with the job interview? My understanding is that the oil and gas industry is pretty heavy needs for scientific computation and data visualization. That's how they discover new places to drill.
What year are we talking? I get that is a pretty big use case now, but back then (mid 1980s?) was it also the case?
Also a quick search found this from 1985: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/003754978504400...:
> Supercomputers are becoming a useful and important tool in the finding and developing of oil and gas reserves. Applications of supercomputers in the petroleum industry involve two important aspects: enormous computational power and massive data management. Vector computers are being used in petroleum engineering to simulate the flow of oil and gas in a reservoir, the faster performance of the vector machines making many, heretofore, unmanageable calculations possible. In exploration for oil and gas, supercomputers are being used to store, classify, and interpret huge amounts of geophysical seismic data.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
What kind of work was he doing for them to try to sell to him? Same with the job interview?
> What kind of work was he doing for them to try to sell to him? Same with the job interview? My understanding is that the oil and gas industry is pretty heavy needs for scientific computation and data visualization. That's how they discover new places to drill.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
What year are we talking? I get that is a pretty big use case now, but back then (mid 1980s?) was it also the case?
When I was a kid in the early 90s, a nearby university had a Cray 1. We went on field trip to see it. IIRC, they got it because some oil company had gotten a better supercomputer and didn't need it anymore, so it was probably originally purchased sometime in the 80s or earlier. Also a quick search found this from 1985: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/003754978504400... : > Supercomputers are becoming a u…
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#15This article focuses on the technical side of Pixar, which was truly revolutionary. But the thing that makes Pixar a really amazing company is that they also have great graphical designers and story writers. It is the integration that makes Pixar movies so great.
When I attended WWDC 2018, one of Pixar's lead lighting engineers gave a high-level presentation on the intertwining of math/physics/art to shade animated scenes in their movies. I would love to walk through one of their internal scene files and inspect all the polygon's on Woody's shirt. It's a fascinating intersection of programming not many people relate to.
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#16They tried to sell my dad some machines. He was in the oil industry. The sale didn't work out. My dad later had a job interview with them. That didn't work out either. Both were probably for the best, but what a different life I would have had if either had gone the other way.
Why was oil and gas a target for sales for them? I'm sure the industry has a ton of money, but back then what was the use case?
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I was a kid in the early 90s, a nearby university had a Cray 1. We went on field trip to see it. IIRC, they got it because some oil company had gotten a better supercomputer and didn't need it anymore, so it was probably originally purchased sometime in the 80s or earlier. Also a quick search found this from 1985: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/003754978504400... : > Supercomputers are becoming a u…
Funny, I just found that link myself. I guess it makes sense, there was data and there was a need to comb through it. Seems like little to do with graphics directly, and more to do with being able to manage large amounts of data.
And since we are visual beings, managing large amounts of data is best done in a graphical way. But it is not easy to do that right. You can create super beautiful looking, but total missleading visualisations.
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#19This is why I hate the "sell shovels to miners" advice. No, the biggest winners are the ones who vertically integrate and capture the full value stack, not the tools vendors.
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#20Another part of the story easily forgotten because it doesn't show in glossy management books: https://www.cartoonbrew.com/business/pixars-ed-catmull-emerg...
Also relevant https://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/ed-catmull-on-wage...
Full disclosure, I also received a check from the class action suit. Of course getting money is nice, but it was like $4k or something, not enough to make any real difference, significantly smaller than the film bonus plans, and on top of that, I never felt like I'd been underpaid or cheated even after this all went public.
Even as an employee, I don't think I ever knew the full story, but the Cartoon Brew articles always struck me as going out of their way to stoke anger and frame things in the most negative possible light, not particularly fair or unbiased.
While I do not in any way intend to defend what Catmull or others did, the fact that not just one but two studios I worked for did close, I've always felt like it is plausible that Catmull truly believed he was doing a good thing for employees in the long term by trying to keep the doors open, and that the threat that they might close was real, that his refusal to apologize was out of genuine belief that he wasn't being selfish. I'm sure it'd be hard to fully buy that if you saw his tax return, but nonetheless is how I still feel when I read these articles again.