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Early Retirement (2006)

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Re: Early Retirement (2006)

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post #54

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This is why I max out my HSA and don't withdraw since it became available to me (unfortunately this was until my 30s) Have you considered moving to a country with quality healthcare at cheaper price? Mexico comes to mind

In case you're not aware, you can't use HSA funds to pay for insurance.

I'm aware you can't pay premiums but you can still use it to pay services, prescriptions, deductible, co-insurance, etc.

Re: Early Retirement (2006)

#72
post #12

I had a version of this realization early in my life. I wanted to be a musician. I thought that school and other things in life were a burden and that once I was devoted to music, I'd be happy and full. I got my dream by 18 years old. When music became my work I hated it. Made me think differently about life.

There is a big difference between have to and get to. Most people are better served with a strict work/life balance that pays the maximum they can find and get all their fulfillment from their hobbies/dreams/etc. Work becomes a punch the clock and your passions stay alive without the pressure.

Re: Early Retirement (2006)

#73

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This is the reality of the situation; until you're eligible for (edit) medicare, health is a significant expense. When paired with the "hedonistic treadmill" of spending, early retirement takes a lot more investment than many suspect. Even at a safe withdrawal rate of 4%, $2M is "only" $80k a year. You're not driving around in Ferrari's and eating caviar on that (parodying a rich lifestyle here). Of course there are…

Medicare. To be eligible for Medicaid, you have to be quite lacking in assets.

Silver hair? Medicare. Need some aid? Medicaid.

Re: Early Retirement (2006)

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the reality of the situation; until you're eligible for (edit) medicare, health is a significant expense. When paired with the "hedonistic treadmill" of spending, early retirement takes a lot more investment than many suspect. Even at a safe withdrawal rate of 4%, $2M is "only" $80k a year. You're not driving around in Ferrari's and eating caviar on that (parodying a rich lifestyle here). Of course there are…

Will $80k a year be enough for any lifestyle? That's the question I struggle with. It's more than enough in today's dollars. But I have no idea what will happen with inflation and costs between now and retirement day. Maybe by the time I retire, $80k/yr will be poverty level. Maybe health insurance premiums alone will cost $80k/yr. Who knows! What will the value of the dollar be and to what extent will healthcare cos…

The calculators usually account for inflation (and also for a percentage rate of return on the lumpsum you have saved), you would answer "How much income will you need in retirement?" with today's value of a $ (eg. if $80k a year would be enough for this year if you retired today)

Re: Early Retirement (2006)

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I retired early recently - I am in my mid 50s. It's not anywhere as hard as people seem to think. With a disciplined approach to investing, I think that it's very much possible to reach financial independence with a typical tech salary in the US. I achieved FI without an extraordinarily high salary, stock grants or participating in an IPO.

There is a treasure trove of information in the Bogleheads wiki: https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started

Re: Early Retirement (2006)

#76

If you've ever talked to anyone that has done FIRE or just retired a few years early, it's always health insurance. The current US system of healthcare via your employer is a huge blocker to any kind of alternative lifestyle. Have to wait until 65 (or like 68 by the time most of us can retire)

I just entered my data and for my family of 7 insurance costs are $1792 per month via healthcare.gov

I'm not sure what it covers.

Re: Early Retirement (2006)

#77
My dad told me after he retired it was his biggest mistake in life.

He'd started a business with a friend in the 1970's that became quite successful in the Detroit Metro area. He retired and like a good Italian, bought a house in Florida and played golf everyday. After a few months he hated his new life, and wished he'd never sold his business. He realized after he retired that his work was something he enjoyed doing, that his clients - most of whom he knew for 20+ years - were people he loved to see and visit. All that changed after he retired and sold the business to my older brother and a another business partner. There was no going back, and that was that.

Re: Early Retirement (2006)

#78
post #29

The greatest expense for me in retirement is now health insurance so it makes sense for me to instead work for insurance coverage and put my wealth towards an inheritance for my children. I used to naively believe once I paid off my mortgage, had a substantial retirement account and savings - a couple million dollars - I'd no longer work. It's also very difficult to get off of the treadmill of spending a lot of money…

As a mid-30s software developer who is trying to save as much as possible, with the hopes of retiring before I'm old and deprecate, this really sucks to read.

$2 million in investments AND a payed off mortgage and still, it doesn't pencil out to retire? Seems like over the past decade+ the 'value' of even $1 million has become more and more diluted. To support even just a middle class, to upper middle class lifestyle, can get very expensive.

Re: Early Retirement (2006)

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the reality of the situation; until you're eligible for (edit) medicare, health is a significant expense. When paired with the "hedonistic treadmill" of spending, early retirement takes a lot more investment than many suspect. Even at a safe withdrawal rate of 4%, $2M is "only" $80k a year. You're not driving around in Ferrari's and eating caviar on that (parodying a rich lifestyle here). Of course there are…

Will $80k a year be enough for any lifestyle? That's the question I struggle with. It's more than enough in today's dollars. But I have no idea what will happen with inflation and costs between now and retirement day. Maybe by the time I retire, $80k/yr will be poverty level. Maybe health insurance premiums alone will cost $80k/yr. Who knows! What will the value of the dollar be and to what extent will healthcare cos…

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Re: Early Retirement (2006)

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If you've ever talked to anyone that has done FIRE or just retired a few years early, it's always health insurance. The current US system of healthcare via your employer is a huge blocker to any kind of alternative lifestyle. Have to wait until 65 (or like 68 by the time most of us can retire)

I was reading about this the other day, but wouldnt using the Advanced Premium Tax Credit help lower dramatically your healthcare costs?
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