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Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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The irony is so thick, it is palpable. Leftist politics suggest that criminals should have a second chance and be able to reintegrate into society. But do something completely legal that I don't like, and you're cancelled forever.

The irony is so thick, it is palpable. Rightist politics suggest that criminals should be locked away and have their right to reintegrate into society stripped when they are let out. But if there are social consequences to my actions, it's because of cancel culture.

As an independent, I am horrified by the behavior of both leftists and rightists. You all have lost your damn mind.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

#33

I'm excited for accountability to catch up to the Internet, for far too long people have been able to poison the well. Now, when you say something, you have to stand by it. This is a good thing, and I hope more things like this come soon.

what's your name, what town do you live in, and who is your employer?

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Amazing that you can write an article like this and not even discuss antitrust, opting instead to hand-wring over leftist politics and free speech.

A handful of mega-corporations have essentially complete control over the average person's ability to navigate modern life? Clearly the issue is cancel culture (or is it socialism? or leftism in general? the article isn't really clear what we should be pushing back against)

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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I'm excited for accountability to catch up to the Internet, for far too long people have been able to poison the well. Now, when you say something, you have to stand by it. This is a good thing, and I hope more things like this come soon.

Now, when you say something, you have to stand by it. Honestly why? I've said a lot of things in my youth that I don't stand by any more. Surely there must be room for people to grow and mature.

I agree. I said something a couple of weeks ago that I no longer agree with and I am in my 40s. My mind can be changed, I see that as a positive.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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The irony is so thick, it is palpable. Leftist politics suggest that criminals should have a second chance and be able to reintegrate into society. But do something completely legal that I don't like, and you're cancelled forever.

"criminals should have a second chance and be able to reintegrate into society" Is this not part of the definition of justice? Most crimes (high and low) only required some form of punishment and perhaps reform. After the balance has been restored why wouldnt those people fully reintegrate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice

The funny thing is that those who keep calling social ostracism cancel culture would probably be opposed to any kind of reintegration of people who have served their time. How many of them would praise George Zimmer's position of giving ex-cons a second chance at employment? I ask this in a rhetorical fashion obviously but it's important since cancel culture or social ostracism is as old as humankind. So in my view, the real problem isn't cancel culture, the problem is that we don't actually have a society that forgives. The Internet just put all that within reach of our fingertips. In the past, it was only the rich or powerful that could wield such control of in/out group action. Today, anyone can game trending algorithms on social media even though our laws have yet to catch up to that fact.

If there's anything that can be said it's this: our society needs to stop being vengeful, starting with our legal system. We need to repeal at-will employment or at least reform it. We need to actually support re-integration of ex-convicts as a side issue. And we need to stop being so chronically online.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Viral ostracism is quite different from the local-scale shunning of the past. Having a torrent of people shunning you for someone disagreeing with you is unjust.

"Having a torrent of people shunning you for someone disagreeing with you" is the same reductionist self-pity that people have used for ages to defend themselves from ostracism, which may be just or unjust, more subjectively or less subjectively. Sure, the internet amplified it, like everything else with a social component, but I think you're wrong to imply they are qualitatively different.

Quantatively is the difference. Reasonable or not, the more people agree on something, the more it tends to be viewed as true.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is so thick, it is palpable. Rightist politics suggest that criminals should be locked away and have their right to reintegrate into society stripped when they are let out. But if there are social consequences to my actions, it's because of cancel culture.

As an independent, I am horrified by the behavior of both leftists and rightists. You all have lost your damn mind.

LGBT has become a religion now honestly when the fact that celebrities come out it's marked on their wikipedia page as though it's somehow worth mentioning. The fact that "coming out" has blown up beyond what it was has absolutely turned it into cult status since people can be fired or threatened to be fired for "assuming gender" and that nonsense. The simple fact that you can't dislike some of these people, especially since many do have severe mental illness issues they have not worked out, states it's a religion. You can't publicly condemn Christianity in the US, likewise, you can't publicly condemn LGBT groups.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

#40

Strange game. The only way to win is not to play. Post something today that is acceptable and the powers that be decide tomorrow that it is offensive and your life is ruined.

The true irony is this type of behavior is what drives people to be even more conservative. Why be open or have fun (even if it's krass at the time, naively unaware it could be bad in the future). So now people who aren't bleeding hearts will more than likely only post content that is generic. Then all the bleeding hearts will complain nobody is willing to stand up for justice when these very people are the same ones that incite witch hunts for minor offenses.
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