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Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by ladyattis »

throw37388 wrote: post #15
ladyattis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You all keep calling things being cancelled when they're just plain old social ostracism of the past. Why can't you all just admit you don't like it when someone else does the social ostracizing instead of giving it a new fancy word to distance yourselves from the same behavior you all do?

Ostracism was democratic process, there was a vote and majority decided. "Cancellation" is nothing like that.

That's completely wrong. How is it democratic or anti when people online choose to not associate with you? Is it when they do it on a social media platform? When they make a hashtag or group? Again, that's more spontaneous action that no one has any legal nor moral authority to stop. Next, you'll tell me it's okay for evangelicals to boycott of some company that visibly supports LGBT rights then tell me it's bad when some random kids just mocking and jeering someone else online.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by xnyan »

throw37388 wrote: post #15
ladyattis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You all keep calling things being cancelled when they're just plain old social ostracism of the past. Why can't you all just admit you don't like it when someone else does the social ostracizing instead of giving it a new fancy word to distance yourselves from the same behavior you all do?

Ostracism was democratic process, there was a vote and majority decided. "Cancellation" is nothing like that.

>Ostracism was democratic process

Please go on? If people want to "cancel", even if I think they are doing it for a bad reason or mislead then that's their right. Why is it such a big issue?

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by Yurtle2 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #3

I'm excited for accountability to catch up to the Internet, for far too long people have been able to poison the well. Now, when you say something, you have to stand by it. This is a good thing, and I hope more things like this come soon.

> I'm excited for accountability to catch up to the Internet, for far too long people have been able to poison the well. Now, when you say something, you have to stand by it.

The fact that you aren't using your real name here is a source of real amusement. Thanks for the laugh with my morning coffee.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by ladyattis »

timw4mail wrote: post #19
ladyattis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You all keep calling things being cancelled when they're just plain old social ostracism of the past. Why can't you all just admit you don't like it when someone else does the social ostracizing instead of giving it a new fancy word to distance yourselves from the same behavior you all do?

Viral ostracism is quite different from the local-scale shunning of the past. Having a torrent of people shunning you for someone disagreeing with you is unjust.

Well too bad, it's totally legal, normal, and part of human society. Now if you want to talk about the effects like blackballing/listing and other things that ought to be banned then I'm all ears. But if you're going to start forcing association between private individuals and private groups then you're gonna have to show me case law that says people gotta associate with each other. It's like saying that folks gotta associate with racists in their families just cause.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by paulryanrogers »

throw37388 wrote: post #15
ladyattis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You all keep calling things being cancelled when they're just plain old social ostracism of the past. Why can't you all just admit you don't like it when someone else does the social ostracizing instead of giving it a new fancy word to distance yourselves from the same behavior you all do?

Ostracism was democratic process, there was a vote and majority decided. "Cancellation" is nothing like that.

How is the 'cancellation' any less democratic?

It seems more democratic than a majority deciding for everyone, if each person decides for themselves whether to avoid or not.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by petermcneeley »

dolni wrote: post #2

The irony is so thick, it is palpable. Leftist politics suggest that criminals should have a second chance and be able to reintegrate into society. But do something completely legal that I don't like, and you're cancelled forever.

"criminals should have a second chance and be able to reintegrate into society"

Is this not part of the definition of justice? Most crimes (high and low) only required some form of punishment and perhaps reform. After the balance has been restored why wouldnt those people fully reintegrate?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by happytoexplain »

timw4mail wrote: post #19
ladyattis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You all keep calling things being cancelled when they're just plain old social ostracism of the past. Why can't you all just admit you don't like it when someone else does the social ostracizing instead of giving it a new fancy word to distance yourselves from the same behavior you all do?

Viral ostracism is quite different from the local-scale shunning of the past. Having a torrent of people shunning you for someone disagreeing with you is unjust.

"Having a torrent of people shunning you for someone disagreeing with you" is the same reductionist self-pity that people have used for ages to defend themselves from ostracism, which may be just or unjust, more subjectively or less subjectively. Sure, the internet amplified it, like everything else with a social component, but I think you're wrong to imply they are qualitatively different.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by ladyattis »

ladyattis wrote: post #25
timw4mail wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Viral ostracism is quite different from the local-scale shunning of the past. Having a torrent of people shunning you for someone disagreeing with you is unjust.

Well too bad, it's totally legal, normal, and part of human society. Now if you want to talk about the effects like blackballing/listing and other things that ought to be banned then I'm all ears. But if you're going to start forcing association between private individuals and private groups then you're gonna have to show me case law that says people gotta associate with each other. It's like saying that folks gotta…

Also, I'm all ears on abolishing at-will (so-called right to work) employment laws. If you abolish the laws that make social ostracism through social media so bad then it don't really do much. Plus, I've yet to see a celebrity that's been 'cancelled' actually physically or psychologically suffer. The worse I've seen is Alan Dershowitz not being invited to some old friend's dinner parties in Martha's Vineyard (how horrible! /s).
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