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My small revenge on Apple

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Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by egghese »

collaborative wrote: post #65
egghese wrote: post #17

The author's revenge seems to be against his users who opted to used Sign In with Apple. Since they will be the one suffering because they trusted to use the particular app. I can find merit in complaining about apple's restriction in accessing payments. But SignIn with Apple, as a user I will always opt for that given my email won't be available with a third party forever for them to spam or sell. I have integrated…

Apple forced Groups to choose between having AppleID, or losing Sign in with Google/FB. That would have been equally bad for existing users who had chosen Google/FB before Apple ID was even a thing. Perhaps Groups would have happily adopted Apple ID if it hadn't been forced on it At the end of the day Groups is a passion project. So it can be used to contribute to a world where developers aren't taken for granted App…

A trillion dollar publicly traded company sure care about money and PR.

I understand being a developer who does a passion project or an app. But I can't buy into, Apple forcing any developer to make a decision in a very short term. Almost all new guidelines comes with a 3 months interval before being enforced. And most times the deadlines get extended https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=03262020b

Apple waits a year or more before removing the Apps that don't follow a newly enforced guideline. The restriction is a problem with app submissions that comes in after a deadline

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by imwillofficial »

collaborative wrote: post #65
egghese wrote: post #17

The author's revenge seems to be against his users who opted to used Sign In with Apple. Since they will be the one suffering because they trusted to use the particular app. I can find merit in complaining about apple's restriction in accessing payments. But SignIn with Apple, as a user I will always opt for that given my email won't be available with a third party forever for them to spam or sell. I have integrated…

Apple forced Groups to choose between having AppleID, or losing Sign in with Google/FB. That would have been equally bad for existing users who had chosen Google/FB before Apple ID was even a thing. Perhaps Groups would have happily adopted Apple ID if it hadn't been forced on it At the end of the day Groups is a passion project. So it can be used to contribute to a world where developers aren't taken for granted App…

I've never seen such user hostile posturing from a dev.

Will avoid.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by hoseja »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #72
rovek wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your second quote conveniently chops out the main point of the article, which is that Apple abuse their dominance to force developers into having no choice.

Because Apple prioritizes their customers over developers. If they didn’t force developers to adopt this, they would never do it as it’s in their interest to harvest the e-mail addresses of their customers.

Why then should Apple have monopoly on harvesting emails?

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by user-the-name »

ascar wrote: post #64
wokwokwok wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’ve got to be kidding. Don’t use apple SSO because apple might not exist one day? You may as well argue not signup to anything using gmail because, heck, google might go out of business. There is no benefit to users in giving your “real” details to service providers; the benefit is entirely on their side. You can argue that Apple is harming the opportunities for 3rd party developers, sure, taking advantage of them…

I don't think your tone is warranted and in the spirit of this community. I don't agree with GP's fear of Apple SSO vanishing without a transition period to something else, but the general premise that this form of login is not eternal but rather short lived in the grand scheme of things is reasonable and doesn't warrant your aggressiveness. Also you might get locked out of your Apple account for a number of reasons…

It is also not really a valid argument here, given that the service we are talking about was offering Facebook and Google login options, which share the exact same issue, but with the added privacy violations of those platforms.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #25
snemvalts wrote: post #5

I wouldn't obsess over the design of Apple's "Sign up with Apple" button, if the default darkmode just applies an inverted filter (inverting Google's and Facebook's logo in addition to the UI), and paddings and margins are all over the place.

Someone else was complaining about Apple rejecting their app, over the Sign In With Apple feature. They cast it as “kafkaesque.” They showed a screengrab of their app, and they had altered the design of the button, by filling it with gray (I agree that Apple’s choices are fugly ). The writer couldn’t understand why Apple kept rejecting their app, and Apple’s rejection reason was not helpful at all (we often need to r…

The rejection reason was that the option did not exist. It was the very first option. Calling that Kafkaesque is fine, and there is no reason for you to act so smug.

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Post by user-the-name »

danpalmer wrote: post #63

Similar to how in-app purchase/subscription fees of 30% just _does not work_ for certain kinds of business with certain kinds of margin, Sign in with Apple has limitations far beyond other social sign-in systems that mean it is a complete non-starter for certain businesses. Like us. We have Facebook sign in (appropriate for our market), but couldn't integrate Sign in with Apple because the email private relay limits…

If your users actually value those emails, they will share their email with you.

If they do not share your email, that means they do not actually value your emails as much as you seem to think.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by imwillofficial »

dandellion wrote: post #69
Toutouxc wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because dev experience isn't what my post was about. I don't agree with some of the ways Apple treats developers, but I mostly agree with how they treat users and I genuinely like (MacBook) or at least understand and respect (iPhone) their products.

What happens when Apple stops being on fire, and you are trapped in their ecosystem and can't get out? I won't argue that Apple makes the nicest and most comfortable golden cuffs, but in the end they're still chains.

Thats a users risk, not a devs

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

danpalmer wrote: post #63

Similar to how in-app purchase/subscription fees of 30% just _does not work_ for certain kinds of business with certain kinds of margin, Sign in with Apple has limitations far beyond other social sign-in systems that mean it is a complete non-starter for certain businesses. Like us. We have Facebook sign in (appropriate for our market), but couldn't integrate Sign in with Apple because the email private relay limits…

Can you present your users with explanation that "increased privacy provided by Apple" comes with a price in the form of degraded customer experience? Sorry, but you can't both have your cake and eat it, too?

I might believe your intentions are noble, but for one of you there are hundreds if not thousands of bad apples, so to speak, and the controls Apple is giving me as the user help mitigate it somewhat. And there are initially good apples that turn bad after a while — as their authors are desperately seeking ways to get into black, or just sell their apps to some unscrupulous businesses.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by drclau »

danpalmer wrote: post #63

Similar to how in-app purchase/subscription fees of 30% just _does not work_ for certain kinds of business with certain kinds of margin, Sign in with Apple has limitations far beyond other social sign-in systems that mean it is a complete non-starter for certain businesses. Like us. We have Facebook sign in (appropriate for our market), but couldn't integrate Sign in with Apple because the email private relay limits…

But you can still ask the user to provide the email address (and I think I've seen this already in some apps), even if the user signs in with Apple w/ hidden email, right? Since you say you are already asking for permission to share the email address, why would this be a problem? You now have to ask for the email and the permission to share it. A negative answer from the user would mean you are not allowed to share it anyway, so why have the email address in the first place then?

Or am I missing something?

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by arepublicadoceu »

dandellion wrote: post #69
Toutouxc wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because dev experience isn't what my post was about. I don't agree with some of the ways Apple treats developers, but I mostly agree with how they treat users and I genuinely like (MacBook) or at least understand and respect (iPhone) their products.

What happens when Apple stops being on fire, and you are trapped in their ecosystem and can't get out? I won't argue that Apple makes the nicest and most comfortable golden cuffs, but in the end they're still chains.

> What happens when Apple stops being on fire, and you are trapped in their ecosystem and can't get out? I won't argue that Apple makes the nicest and most comfortable golden cuffs, but in the end they're still chains.

What are the options in the smartphone landscape? Please elaborate in a way that my elderly mother could use without 24h tech support from family members.

Android? And have instead of golden handcuffs a straight-out chain to serve the ads landlord? Yeah there's only a "choice" between the comfortable golden cuff of Apple and the being actively exploited by google. I know what to choose.

Obs. For anyone suggesting giving a de-googled lineage phone to my mother, just, please, don't.

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