If you are trapped there, maybe you have no choice, but why would one willingly visit a place that treats you like that? I have my vaccinations, but I would not spend money anywhere that wanted me to prove it. I go out and spend money to relax and enjoy myself, if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. People lose their minds because its covid, but in normal circumstances, invasion of privacy is a pretty good reason not to want to eat or work out somewhere.
NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More
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It's an easy thing to protest, stop spending money on places that want to operate in a jurisdiction that treats you this way. Let NYC become a progressive paradise and move somewhere that respects its citizens.
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#13If you are trapped there, maybe you have no choice, but why would one willingly visit a place that treats you like that? I have my vaccinations, but I would not spend money anywhere that wanted me to prove it. I go out and spend money to relax and enjoy myself, if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. People lose their minds because its co…
Different people have different opinions on things. Different communities have different values. And in general, people who live in a big city tend to have a lot of trust in institutions (governmental and otherwise) and in prioritizing the needs of a community above the theoretical liberty of the individual. People who live in more rural areas tend to be the opposite.
The way I see it, it's not that I owe the business something for the privilege of spending money there - it's that the business offers me additional value, the knowledge that other people there are vaccinated.
You don't have to see it this way, but it's possible for people to see things differently from how you see it.
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#14If you are trapped there, maybe you have no choice, but why would one willingly visit a place that treats you like that? I have my vaccinations, but I would not spend money anywhere that wanted me to prove it. I go out and spend money to relax and enjoy myself, if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. People lose their minds because its co…
Home schooling your children too? School districts requiring vaccination records for all sorts of things. What invasion of privacy. It’s like they do it to protect other children.
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#15If you are trapped there, maybe you have no choice, but why would one willingly visit a place that treats you like that? I have my vaccinations, but I would not spend money anywhere that wanted me to prove it. I go out and spend money to relax and enjoy myself, if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. People lose their minds because its co…
Home schooling your children too? School districts requiring vaccination records for all sorts of things. What invasion of privacy. It’s like they do it to protect other children.
Not sure I see the equivalence between showing my kids have their childhood vaccines before they go to school and having to flash a vaccine pass every time I go to the gym or to eat. Honestly I would rather it was mandated by government and then assumed (not that I think that is compatible with western rights) than having to show this kind of information on request to businesses as I go about my day. Most people here would agree with that for most things - people get bent out of shape about advertising cookies. But somehow covid has made everyone hysterical and no indignity can be too much in the name of preaching and checking for covid orthodoxy. I find it really weird.
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#16If you are trapped there, maybe you have no choice, but why would one willingly visit a place that treats you like that? I have my vaccinations, but I would not spend money anywhere that wanted me to prove it. I go out and spend money to relax and enjoy myself, if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. People lose their minds because its co…
Different people have different opinions on things. Different communities have different values. And in general, people who live in a big city tend to have a lot of trust in institutions (governmental and otherwise) and in prioritizing the needs of a community above the theoretical liberty of the individual. People who live in more rural areas tend to be the opposite. The way I see it, it's not that I owe the busines…
> trust in institutions
Unless it's the local baptist church telling you about the evils of the gays (right trusting institutions), or Jeff Bezos telling you that the institution which is Amazon is actually a good thing for humanity (left not trusting institutions).
Point is, these sorts of generalizations are generally wrong. Populist distrust of institutions exists on both political poles.
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#17If you are trapped there, maybe you have no choice, but why would one willingly visit a place that treats you like that? I have my vaccinations, but I would not spend money anywhere that wanted me to prove it. I go out and spend money to relax and enjoy myself, if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. People lose their minds because its co…
> if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it.
I've started doing exactly the opposite. Almost every place I spend my money these days caters to reasonable people and quickly kicks out most of the riffraff.
I don't want to go to a business that caters to all customers, because being surrounded by annoying people is miserable. I want to spend my time in an enjoyable ambiance. "Take all comers" places typically aren't that. Doubly so for any place that serves alcohol.
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You’re not allowed to walk into public places spraying bullets in every direction, but that is what you are potentially doing when you’re not vaccinated. Piss off with the juvenile freedom argument; freedom stops where your nose does and does not cover fatal contagions.
This seems to be a more and more common view lately. There is free and widely available medicine that works extremely well. Take it or don’t but the “bullets” are not going away. That’s why it’s called a pandemic.
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#19If you are trapped there, maybe you have no choice, but why would one willingly visit a place that treats you like that? I have my vaccinations, but I would not spend money anywhere that wanted me to prove it. I go out and spend money to relax and enjoy myself, if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. People lose their minds because its co…
> if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. I've started doing exactly the opposite. Almost every place I spend my money these days caters to reasonable people and quickly kicks out most of the riffraff. I don't want to go to a business that caters to all customers, because being surrounded by annoying people is miserable. I want to spend m…
I support businesses with principles: what you cited is materially different. Subjective criteria for annoying people.
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#20If you are trapped there, maybe you have no choice, but why would one willingly visit a place that treats you like that? I have my vaccinations, but I would not spend money anywhere that wanted me to prove it. I go out and spend money to relax and enjoy myself, if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. People lose their minds because its co…
> if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. I've started doing exactly the opposite. Almost every place I spend my money these days caters to reasonable people and quickly kicks out most of the riffraff. I don't want to go to a business that caters to all customers, because being surrounded by annoying people is miserable. I want to spend m…
I agree with everything you say. But to me, it's places that cater to "riff raff" that I associate with carding for a vaccine pass or whatever. Same as I would never go to a bar that would search my bag, or fly with a discount carrier that treated me like a cow being herded around. The fact that I only go to places that treat me respectfully and as an adult is exactly why I would not go to a place that makes me go though a bunch if hygiene theatre before I can pay them. To me, covid has made lots of businesses reinvent themselves under the economy airline model where customers are stuck with them and have to do what they say, and all service inadequacies are "for your safety". If that's why makes you feel better, none of my business, but it's not for me.