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Apple Makes Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Available for Purchase

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Re: Apple Makes Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Available for Purchase

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Post by SmellTheGlove »

Jtsummers wrote: post #59
SmellTheGlove wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why the hell is the Touch ID sensor _not_ in the top right corner there? I agree with the other poster that said apple design is in the tank right now. Man that is awful.

Because someone would whine about it either way. If it's not in the upper right corner, it's wrong. If it's not within easy reach of the more typical position of the right hand (for people who touch type at least) then it's in the wrong position. It's a lose-lose, doesn't matter what they do some people will be unhappy. And whatever they do, some people will be content or happy. So they picked one that made sense for…

Heh I suppose I did whine about it. But if you opt for a 10 key it’s probably because it’s going to get used, and putting it absolute top right would keep it consistent with its placement on other products.

Re: Apple Makes Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Available for Purchase

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Post by jsjohnst »

SmellTheGlove wrote: post #70
unfunco wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? I personally think it makes more sense there, it replaces the eject button (is that an eject symbol? It's been a while since I've had to care about eject) – and it matches the button position on the laptops, e.g. above the backspace button.

It’s in the top right corner on every other device that has one though. If I’m reaching for it that’s just where I expect it to be. The downvotes clearly indicate an unpopular opinion, but this to me just looks like they bolted on a 10 key to the existing product.

> The downvotes clearly indicate an unpopular opinion

That's one conclusion. Could also be your attitude / way you expressed your opinion too. ;)

Re: Apple Makes Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Available for Purchase

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Post by filoleg »

SmellTheGlove wrote: post #70
unfunco wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? I personally think it makes more sense there, it replaces the eject button (is that an eject symbol? It's been a while since I've had to care about eject) – and it matches the button position on the laptops, e.g. above the backspace button.

It’s in the top right corner on every other device that has one though. If I’m reaching for it that’s just where I expect it to be. The downvotes clearly indicate an unpopular opinion, but this to me just looks like they bolted on a 10 key to the existing product.

To be more precise, it is right above the backspace/delete key on every other device that has one. So they decided to stay consistent and put it in the exact same spot here too.

When you make an extended version of a keyboard, it makes sense to me to stay consistent and not rearrange keys on the part of the keyboard that's shared between the extended and regular-sized versions.

Re: Apple Makes Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Available for Purchase

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Post by bartvk »

supperburg wrote: post #31

This keyboard is extremely ugly. I’ve noticed for a long time now a weakening in the design of Apple products. This is certainly the most disgusted I’ve been at an Apple product since 2011.

Isn't the design just the normal keyboard, except with rounded corners?

You can quickly see the differences by opening these two images in separate tabs and flipping between the tabs: https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple... https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple...

Re: Apple Makes Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Available for Purchase

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Post by NikolaNovak »

unfunco wrote: post #66
SmellTheGlove wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why the hell is the Touch ID sensor _not_ in the top right corner there? I agree with the other poster that said apple design is in the tank right now. Man that is awful.

Is it? I personally think it makes more sense there, it replaces the eject button (is that an eject symbol? It's been a while since I've had to care about eject) – and it matches the button position on the laptops, e.g. above the backspace button.

There's more than one way to look for consistency: in terms of key it was next to, or overall position on physical item.

In other words:

"It was above delete button"

vs

"It was in top right corner of the device"

From my personal usability perspective, FWIW, there's a difference between "Go to physical corner of a device" and "hunt for a very specific place in the middle of keyboard", but preferences differ.

Re: Apple Makes Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Available for Purchase

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Post by NikolaNovak »

DeusExMachina wrote: post #56
SmellTheGlove wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why the hell is the Touch ID sensor _not_ in the top right corner there? I agree with the other poster that said apple design is in the tank right now. Man that is awful.

What's the difference? You can register the fingerprint of any finger, not just the thumb.

For me (not the op), the difference is between going to a corner of a physical device (mindless, immediate); vs having to hunt for specific position in the middle of device (more conscious, intent).

Put it differently, "one of these things is not like the other", so it makes intuitive sense -- for me :) -- for it to be in a corner and "isolated" from typing keys.

20 years ago I read in a very basic "Intro to UI" that 1-pixel in the corner of your screen is effectively the biggest button on the screen (this was for mouse and desktop monitor, of course), as you can just push your mouse there without aiming or stopping. The wisdom of being able to use motion to go to an extreme of device intuitively stuck with me ever since.

Re: Apple Makes Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Available for Purchase

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Post by reader_mode »

adolph wrote: post #17

By the numbers, the secure enclave implementation is $50. I wonder if Logitech will get a shot at TouchID like the Crayon did for the Apple Pencil? I'd pay $50 to add it to my K380. $99.00 Magic Keyboard - US English $149.00 Magic Keyboard with Touch ID for Mac models with Apple silicon - US English $129.00 Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad - US English $179.00 Magic Keyboard with Touch ID and Numeric Keypad for Mac…

Logitech can't even connect to the laptop via BT before you are logged in, I doubt it will get this integration.

Re: Apple Makes Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Available for Purchase

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Post by wodenokoto »

kpsuperplane wrote: post #18
throwanem wrote: post #8

Not really on point, but perhaps worth noting that having had some wrist stiffness and pain lately, I tried a Magic Keyboard (not this one, the one with the numpad) as an intermediate step between my previous Majestouch 2 and Ergodox/Moonlander/Kinesis esoterica, and over the last few weeks it's actually been pretty good. I don't know if I'll stick with it indefinitely, but I'm glad I decided to give it a try; the lo…

Check out the K3 or K1 from Keychron; you get benefits of low profile with the tactility of a mechanical keyboard

They're twice as thick as a magic keyboard

Re: Apple Makes Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Available for Purchase

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Post by mikecarlton »

kpsuperplane wrote: post #18
throwanem wrote: post #8

Not really on point, but perhaps worth noting that having had some wrist stiffness and pain lately, I tried a Magic Keyboard (not this one, the one with the numpad) as an intermediate step between my previous Majestouch 2 and Ergodox/Moonlander/Kinesis esoterica, and over the last few weeks it's actually been pretty good. I don't know if I'll stick with it indefinitely, but I'm glad I decided to give it a try; the lo…

Check out the K3 or K1 from Keychron; you get benefits of low profile with the tactility of a mechanical keyboard

+1 for the K1, I’ve been very happy with it
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