Live data from Hacker News

NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

nypost.com

1–10 of 1001 posts

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#2
Privacy watchdogs, data protection groups, and human rights councils have largely condemned these "vaccine passports".

To date, I haven't seen their concerns mentioned - mentioned - in any of these pronouncements.

I get that there are enough people willing to go along with this that they'll likely stick around for a bit - but another thing I haven't seen is an end game.

Corona is in the deer, it's in pets. Are they all going to get vaccinated too? Are people going to willingly get shot up with Pfizer and Moderna every six months for the rest of their lives; living in a three-tier society?

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#5

Privacy watchdogs, data protection groups, and human rights councils have largely condemned these "vaccine passports". To date, I haven't seen their concerns mentioned - mentioned - in any of these pronouncements. I get that there are enough people willing to go along with this that they'll likely stick around for a bit - but another thing I haven't seen is an end game. Corona is in the deer, it's in pets. Are they a…

It seems that the endgame is to keep on pushing tighter and tighter restrictions on certain communities of people, strongly discouraging open debate, leaving dissenters no other option but to physically remove themselves, until only the most compliant remain, forming a tight-knit, ideologically homogenous group.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#6
Without getting into the whole vaccine thing...

People need to start protesting with their wallets. People need to talk less and act more.

I work in NYC, in an "essential" service. In the beginning myself and other workers were threatened with discipline if we did not show up for work. We were told to go straight home, and stay inside, and do as little as necessary otherwise.

Now, this is easy for me, as I am single with no family, but I continue that policy to this day. I buy the essentials and no more.

You want to threaten me? If I don't do this, I can't travel? Fine, I'll keep my money. I can't go to a restaurant? Fine, I'll keep my money, and cook myself. I can't go to the beach? Well fine, I'll keep my money. I'll find something else to do (some of the parks are empty this time of year as everyone's at the beach!). Can't hurt me by telling me I can't spend.

I do the same when gas prices jump. I travel less. Not because I'm hurt more financially, but as a middle finger to the corporations behind the price increase.

Yeah, it doesn't make a dent in the grand scheme, but at least I don't feel the fool.

Honestly with all of this spending less and the way even essentials are jumping in cost, I haven't been able to save much more, and that's a shame.

There are so many ways Americans could make this work, to send a message, if they didn't spend as the corporate overloads told them they have to do.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#8
post #4

It is well past time for a few brave Italian-Americans to go full Khashoggi on DeBlasio, Cuomo and their nazi sympathizers.

Words coming from an spoiled child who knows nothing about real tyranny. Take a look at other countries where people are truly oppressed.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#9
Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy.

From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if:

1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone eating takes off their mask right away?

2. You have fears about the privacy implications. If so, what are those fears? Perhaps your vaccination status can lead people to make inferences about your health?

3. You are not particularly concerned about the community spread of coronavirus (and the implications of that)

There aren't a lot of choices. You can 1) avoid high-risk areas and escape infection/spreading disease, in which case, this policy doesn't really directly affect you. Or 2) you can take your chances with coronavirus, which you will get sooner or later, and spread it. Or 3) you can "take your chances" with the vaccine which, statistically and biologically, is safer than getting coronavirus and reduces spread.

This policy allows people to choose from 1) and 3) but not 2), which is in all ways the worst decision. Unless, of course, you think that the vaccine is more dangerous than coronavirus. And then I don't really know what to say.

(lightly edited for clarification)

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#10
post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

I have strong opposition on this policy.

1. No particular vaccine concern, have mine.

2. Yes. I am not telling my name and birth day for random person in public but now this is required for many public venue. No more being anonymous in public.

3. I have lowered concern, most people with vaccine have lesser time of it even with breakthrough infection. Or maybe better to say I am past caring.

4. All prior vaccine requirement (school, other places) have exemption for religios reason, personal objection, or both (varies by state). Compelling medical procedures is not a good thing ever. Saying that we have no compulsion is disingenuous if vaccine are required for restaurant, job, etc.

I am having objections not to vaccine but to compulsion to show government document before any entry to certain places. Public school fine, government worker fine, but government forcing proof before entry to private restaurant very bad from perspective of civil liberties and privacy. Also I have worries over changing requirement: already there are discussion that maybe a booster shot is required. I am fine with taking this booster shot but do not like constant moving goalposts. Maybe later government adds some other requirements for what somebody must do before allowed entry somewhere, the infrastructure for lineing up for getting scanned already will be in place.

Post reply on HN