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Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by jzb »

exo-pla-net wrote: post #2

These officers faced BLM hostility on the left, as well as violence against them and accusations of being traitors from the right. The public that they're supposed to serve was spitting on them and demonizing them from both sides. Add a pandemic to the mix, and anybody's mental health would be flatlining. Suicide among some of them is tragic but not surprising. I don't know how effective counseling services are, but…

Trying to lay any of this on BLM is bullshit. This is directly tied to the attack on the Capitol by Trump traitors.

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by roenxi »

pjc50 wrote: post #50
roenxi wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police will sometimes, in the routine execution of their duty, have to pin someone down. I don't recall any evidence that the murder was intentional. There is an expectation that the police are the sort of people who could kill someone if the need arises. They aren't all going to be philosophers. Given that and the vitriol around the situation, it is quite reasonable for the police to close ranks around him and l…

The police exerted considerable effort precisely to prevent it ever going to court. Derek Chauvin would never have seen court without months of protests. > look to the most charitable interpretation of what happened This is not a courtesy the police extend to anyone else. > There is an expectation that the police are the sort of people who could kill someone if the need arises This is a very serious problem and not a…

> Derek Chauvin would never have seen court without months of protests.

That is an uncertain counterfactual. There was widespread horror at the video. Since he was in fact prosecuted and convicted quite convincingly it obviously wan't impossible.

> [police being mentally prepared to kill] is a very serious problem...

It is expected. That is part of their role in society. Otherwise it'll be necessary to get the army involved in policing crimes.

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by arkitaip »

exo-pla-net wrote: post #2

These officers faced BLM hostility on the left, as well as violence against them and accusations of being traitors from the right. The public that they're supposed to serve was spitting on them and demonizing them from both sides. Add a pandemic to the mix, and anybody's mental health would be flatlining. Suicide among some of them is tragic but not surprising. I don't know how effective counseling services are, but…

Exactly how were they targeted by BLM?

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by user-the-name »

mjevans wrote: post #9
exo-pla-net wrote: post #2

These officers faced BLM hostility on the left, as well as violence against them and accusations of being traitors from the right. The public that they're supposed to serve was spitting on them and demonizing them from both sides. Add a pandemic to the mix, and anybody's mental health would be flatlining. Suicide among some of them is tragic but not surprising. I don't know how effective counseling services are, but…

Some communities have also been disproportionately persecuted by the police for, a very long time. Maybe it's a legacy of slavery and later segregation. Maybe it's a lack of unifying national spirit (the melting pot of cultural assimilation and a desire to be a small spice in a greater whole) which might have just been wishful thinking on the part of history book authors. I suspect most of the non-anarchist who feel…

"Reform" has been the policy for decades now, and meanwhile the situation has been steadily and rapidly getting worse.

The whole point of "defund" is that "reform" has failed. Something more drastic is needed.

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by LightG »

wudangmonk wrote: post #21

I guess I'm a cynic at heart since my mind went directly to this being somehow related to harrasment by their peers rather than being depressed about the public not appreciating them.

Could easily be both, compounded with personal problems. Who really knows. Sad state of affairs either way.

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by [deleted] »

arkitaip wrote: post #53
exo-pla-net wrote: post #2

These officers faced BLM hostility on the left, as well as violence against them and accusations of being traitors from the right. The public that they're supposed to serve was spitting on them and demonizing them from both sides. Add a pandemic to the mix, and anybody's mental health would be flatlining. Suicide among some of them is tragic but not surprising. I don't know how effective counseling services are, but…

Exactly how were they targeted by BLM?

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Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by neartheplain »

ALittleLight wrote: post #27

From a little light Googling I don't see that any police officers connected to the 100+ nights of rioting and protests in Portland killed themselves. Why would one event result in so many suicides while the other didn't?

The police in Portland were never overrun. Over the course of those 100+ nights they maintained discipline, held their secure perimeters, and succeeded in their mission to keep rioters from breaching e.g. the federal courthouse or their station buildings. In contrast, officers at the Capitol were completely overrun, isolated, and brutally beaten by the mob without hope or expectation of rescue. Some have said that while lying on the ground taking blows, cut off from backup and effectively abandoned by leadership, they thought they were going to die then and there [0].

They also failed in their mission to protect and secure the Capitol. While blame for that rests mainly on their leaders, at least according what I've read in the IG and Senate reports, I imagine it still weighs heavy on each officer.

[0] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dc-police-officers-speak-o...

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by dead-snake »

_y5hn wrote: post #46
ALittleLight wrote: post #27

From a little light Googling I don't see that any police officers connected to the 100+ nights of rioting and protests in Portland killed themselves. Why would one event result in so many suicides while the other didn't?

Because of the treason of storming a democratic process, and then lying about it? It makes you question who you're working for, when half of politicians are behaving in such shameful manner without reprecussions and justice. These police officers were physically assaulted and had no way of knowing wether they'd come out of it alive or dead. Some people were even searching for politicians to murder, and officers had n…

BlueAnon-level delusion.

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by josteink »

arkitaip wrote: post #53
exo-pla-net wrote: post #2

These officers faced BLM hostility on the left, as well as violence against them and accusations of being traitors from the right. The public that they're supposed to serve was spitting on them and demonizing them from both sides. Add a pandemic to the mix, and anybody's mental health would be flatlining. Suicide among some of them is tragic but not surprising. I don't know how effective counseling services are, but…

Exactly how were they targeted by BLM?

You mean, aside from police being the main target of BLM ever since the George Floyd incident?

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Post by shakna »

mike_d wrote: post #23
mjevans wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They really don't, and FFS, I refuse to ever agree to a cookie question on a site I do NOT create a sign-in for. I block those elements and disable javascript, etc. I'm saddened that 3 years later they still haven't given up trying to demand things I'm never giving them. Too many have given in to the Windows UAC / Popup 'just click yes' illness of security fatigue.

Just use Firefox with Total Cookie Protection (each domain you visit gets an isolated cookie jar) and set the "Delete cookies and site data when Firefox is closed" option. You are now free to carelessly click on and accept any random cookie that comes your way. Just restart once a week or so for Firefox updates and you are a completely new person.

Your fingerprint islikely to persist between that. Just your graphics driver and fonts is enough that deleting those cookies did exactly nothing - and that's not any of the advanced tracking techniques.
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