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Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by Tenoke »

rob74 wrote: post #8
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just one of many lies Capitol Police specifically faced: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-gover...

totally off topic, but as a European reader I'm getting the following message on that website: > Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in your country. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to your market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism. Come…

I am from the EU and more like GDPR (assuming it's even that and not e.g. licensing like BBC Global) than not but I think it's totally fair in general for companies to not provide their services to places where the local laws don't suit them.

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by horrified »

mjevans wrote: post #9
exo-pla-net wrote: post #2

These officers faced BLM hostility on the left, as well as violence against them and accusations of being traitors from the right. The public that they're supposed to serve was spitting on them and demonizing them from both sides. Add a pandemic to the mix, and anybody's mental health would be flatlining. Suicide among some of them is tragic but not surprising. I don't know how effective counseling services are, but…

Some communities have also been disproportionately persecuted by the police for, a very long time. Maybe it's a legacy of slavery and later segregation. Maybe it's a lack of unifying national spirit (the melting pot of cultural assimilation and a desire to be a small spice in a greater whole) which might have just been wishful thinking on the part of history book authors. I suspect most of the non-anarchist who feel…

"Some communities have also been disproportionately persecuted by the police for, a very long time."

Are you friggin' serious? It's OK if a police officer commits suicide, because some other people harassed some other people before?

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by mjevans »

rob74 wrote: post #8
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just one of many lies Capitol Police specifically faced: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-gover...

totally off topic, but as a European reader I'm getting the following message on that website: > Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in your country. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to your market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism. Come…

They really don't, and FFS, I refuse to ever agree to a cookie question on a site I do NOT create a sign-in for. I block those elements and disable javascript, etc.

I'm saddened that 3 years later they still haven't given up trying to demand things I'm never giving them. Too many have given in to the Windows UAC / Popup 'just click yes' illness of security fatigue.

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by mjevans »

horrified wrote: post #12
mjevans wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some communities have also been disproportionately persecuted by the police for, a very long time. Maybe it's a legacy of slavery and later segregation. Maybe it's a lack of unifying national spirit (the melting pot of cultural assimilation and a desire to be a small spice in a greater whole) which might have just been wishful thinking on the part of history book authors. I suspect most of the non-anarchist who feel…

"Some communities have also been disproportionately persecuted by the police for, a very long time." Are you friggin' serious? It's OK if a police officer commits suicide, because some other people harassed some other people before?

Not what I said. Please do not put words like that in anyone's mouth.

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by qwerty456127 »

mjevans wrote: post #9
exo-pla-net wrote: post #2

These officers faced BLM hostility on the left, as well as violence against them and accusations of being traitors from the right. The public that they're supposed to serve was spitting on them and demonizing them from both sides. Add a pandemic to the mix, and anybody's mental health would be flatlining. Suicide among some of them is tragic but not surprising. I don't know how effective counseling services are, but…

Some communities have also been disproportionately persecuted by the police for, a very long time. Maybe it's a legacy of slavery and later segregation. Maybe it's a lack of unifying national spirit (the melting pot of cultural assimilation and a desire to be a small spice in a greater whole) which might have just been wishful thinking on the part of history book authors. I suspect most of the non-anarchist who feel…

I agree yet am not really confident in that the police can be de-militarized in a country where every minor criminal has a gun and living is segregated in a way so some neighborhoods actually are much more dangerous than others.

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by zimpenfish »

cat_plus_plus wrote: post #5

Well, yeah, police was endlessly demonized and underfunded in the past decade. There are a few bad apples, but that doesn't justify group guilt and neglect. Rioters should have never been able to attack Capitol OR government buildings in Seattle/Portland. Not saying that Jan 6 was not a bigger threat to the union of those events, although vast majority of rioters were simple hooligans with no credible plans to gain o…

> police was endlessly demonized and underfunded in the past decade.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publica... suggests that the DC police have had a stable budget since at least 2018.

https://ibo.nyc.ny.us/RevenueSpending/nypd.html suggests that NYPD have had an increasing budget since 1980.

https://www.injusticewatch.org/data/2020/chicago-has-nearly-... suggests that Chicago PD have had an increasing budget since 1964.

Do you have some sources for the "underfunded in the past decade"?

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by mike_d »

cat_plus_plus wrote: post #7
elygre wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I understand what you mean by “accusations of being traitors from the right”. However, I was unaware of “BLM hostility on the left”. Could you share some more information about this?

Just one of many lies Capitol Police specifically faced: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-gover...

Your link is actually a great example of the confusion that has led to harassment and hatred of Capitol Police officers.

The Capitol Police (Controlled by Congress), DC Metro Police (Mayor of DC) and DC Protective Services (Mayor of DC) were the good guys in almost all of this.

The Park Police (subject of your link), Secret Service, Federal Protective Service, US Marshal Service, and DC National Guard were all under the authority of the Executive branch and the ones who forcefully cleared the park and harassed BLM protestors. (ACPD and MPD also assisted Park Police under a mutual aid request)

The Bureau of Prisons was never requested but showed up to the party anyway, likely at the direction of the head of DHS, who was not interviewed for the OIG report.

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Post by formerly_proven »

zimpenfish wrote: post #17
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #5

Well, yeah, police was endlessly demonized and underfunded in the past decade. There are a few bad apples, but that doesn't justify group guilt and neglect. Rioters should have never been able to attack Capitol OR government buildings in Seattle/Portland. Not saying that Jan 6 was not a bigger threat to the union of those events, although vast majority of rioters were simple hooligans with no credible plans to gain o…

> police was endlessly demonized and underfunded in the past decade. https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publica... suggests that the DC police have had a stable budget since at least 2018. https://ibo.nyc.ny.us/RevenueSpending/nypd.html suggests that NYPD have had an increasing budget since 1980 . https://www.injusticewatch.org/data/2020/chicago-has-nearly-... suggests that Chicago PD have had an in…

You can have stable or even increasing budgets and still be underfunded. Not saying this is necessarily the case here, just that it's definitely possible to pull that off.
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