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SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocket last night

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Re: SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocket last night

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Elon appears to be building a large ground-locked monument to demonstrate his argument in this tweet: Unlike its aircraft division, which is fine, the FAA space division has a fundamentally broken regulatory structure. Their rules are meant for a handful of expendable launches per year from a few government facilities. Under those rules, humanity will never get to Mars. -- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/13548625…

The single most important job for humanity right now is to save this one planet we have from destruction. There is enough time to think about colonizing the stars after that. I'm as much into spaceships as the next nerd, but people need to get real. The world isn't going to end because his next launch is a month late due to pesky safety regulations or whatever else. This effort is going to play out over many generati…

> I'm as much into spaceships as the next nerd,

I think you lack some self-awareness here. Space is clearly a mild curiosity to you at most.

Re: SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocket last night

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The single most important job for humanity right now is to save this one planet we have from destruction. There is enough time to think about colonizing the stars after that. I'm as much into spaceships as the next nerd, but people need to get real. The world isn't going to end because his next launch is a month late due to pesky safety regulations or whatever else. This effort is going to play out over many generati…

Instead of parroting what you read on social media, how about doing a bit of critical thinking on this. What about all the resources going into video games, sports, movies, music, amusements parks, television, weapons systems, desserts, travel and vacations, etc? They dwarf everything put into space exploration, and are arguably less useful. Do you make the same tired comments when those industries are brought up? An…

> Instead of parroting what you read on social media, how about doing a bit of critical thinking on this

Totally unnecessary. That gratuitous dig doesn't advance your argument at all.

> What about all the resources going into video games, sports, movies, music, amusements parks, television, weapons systems, desserts, travel and vacations, etc?

That doesn't seem like it's u/paxys issue to address. The person they responded to made a _very_ strong claim: "The single most important job humanity has is to get our eggs into more than one basket".

It seems entirely consistent with both the original argument and the reply that humans could have two very important jobs to address (climate change, and becoming multi-planetary) and still have resources to dedicate to all those other things you describe.

> Do you make the same tired comments when those industries are brought up?

I would make a similar argument that u/paxys made if the amusement park industry claimed that building amusement parks was the single most important job that humanity had. Similarly, for sports, video games movies, or most other industries. Claiming the mantle of "the most important job humanity has" is a very big claim.

> And that's not even getting into the fact that multiple things can be done by humanity at once.

u/paxys didn't say that we could only address one thing at a time. They were disagreeing with the claim that becoming multiplanetary is the single most important job humanity has. Disagreeing with which singular job we have is the "most important" one makes absolutely no claim as to how we should be dividing our time.

Ultimately, I actually agree with the original poster that becoming multiplanetary and multistellar is an important feat we should be aggressively perusing. But I also think surviving any extinction-event filters that may come along the way is equally important.

Re: SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocket last night

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Elon appears to be building a large ground-locked monument to demonstrate his argument in this tweet: Unlike its aircraft division, which is fine, the FAA space division has a fundamentally broken regulatory structure. Their rules are meant for a handful of expendable launches per year from a few government facilities. Under those rules, humanity will never get to Mars. -- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/13548625…

There are a couple of points where I disagree with you, but one in particular I hear very often and should be debunked. A colony on mars, even of significant size and population, is 100% condemned to certain death if separated from Earth. It would be, for all intents and purposes, in the same "basket". Google "how to make a pen from scratch" for a quick primer into why, but the tl;dr version is that it takes having a…

Watch 'Mars Industrialization Roadmap' by Casey Handmer. That is exactly what he is addressing. He literally mentions the 'I, Pencil'. And btw a million people is the goal, not 1000.

See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11hYo9UTSRM

And the corresponding book:

How To Industrialize Mars: A Strategy For Self-Sufficiency: How To Settle A Lethal Vacuum In 400 Easy Steps

Part of the whole project of Mars is making this very thing possible in the first place. It requires rethinking a lot of how we do things.

Re: SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocket last night

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The single most important job for humanity right now is to save this one planet we have from destruction. There is enough time to think about colonizing the stars after that. I'm as much into spaceships as the next nerd, but people need to get real. The world isn't going to end because his next launch is a month late due to pesky safety regulations or whatever else. This effort is going to play out over many generati…

> I'm as much into spaceships as the next nerd, I think you lack some self-awareness here. Space is clearly a mild curiosity to you at most.

> Space is clearly a mild curiosity to you at most.

I think it's extremely unhelpful to tell people what their interests are, or what they believe. How much could you possibly know about this person's interests from that one post?

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Elon appears to be building a large ground-locked monument to demonstrate his argument in this tweet: Unlike its aircraft division, which is fine, the FAA space division has a fundamentally broken regulatory structure. Their rules are meant for a handful of expendable launches per year from a few government facilities. Under those rules, humanity will never get to Mars. -- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/13548625…

The single most important job for humanity right now is to save this one planet we have from destruction. There is enough time to think about colonizing the stars after that. I'm as much into spaceships as the next nerd, but people need to get real. The world isn't going to end because his next launch is a month late due to pesky safety regulations or whatever else. This effort is going to play out over many generati…

Why are you posting on HN then? Get out there and save the planet.

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Elon appears to be building a large ground-locked monument to demonstrate his argument in this tweet: Unlike its aircraft division, which is fine, the FAA space division has a fundamentally broken regulatory structure. Their rules are meant for a handful of expendable launches per year from a few government facilities. Under those rules, humanity will never get to Mars. -- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/13548625…

Musk always gets unreasonable angry if he feels something slows him down.

They have really not been slowed down that much FAA.

So everybody should just chill out.

Btw, for people interest, this interview with Ken Davidian FAA's Office of Commercial Space Transportation is interesting:

https://www.interplanetary.org.uk/podcast/episode/90af4411/2...

Re: SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocket last night

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Elon appears to be building a large ground-locked monument to demonstrate his argument in this tweet: Unlike its aircraft division, which is fine, the FAA space division has a fundamentally broken regulatory structure. Their rules are meant for a handful of expendable launches per year from a few government facilities. Under those rules, humanity will never get to Mars. -- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/13548625…

There are a couple of points where I disagree with you, but one in particular I hear very often and should be debunked. A colony on mars, even of significant size and population, is 100% condemned to certain death if separated from Earth. It would be, for all intents and purposes, in the same "basket". Google "how to make a pen from scratch" for a quick primer into why, but the tl;dr version is that it takes having a…

> A colony on mars, even of significant size and population, is 100% condemned to certain death if separated from Earth

It would be in the near future, true. In fact, the key milestone for humanity being truly multi-planetary is that each planet must be independently self-sufficient.

There's no laws of physics that would prevent human life on Mars or Venus from eventually becoming self-sufficient.

The time-frames to get to that point are large (mid-hundreds to low-thousands of years by my random guess). A thousand years isn't that long in terms of the evolution of the species, though, and are the time scales we should be thinking of multiplanetary life on.

Re: SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocket last night

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This is like N1 first stage coming back on a new technological level.

Hopefully it works better

That seems highly likely. The N1 couldn't be static fired, and they didn't have the benefits of sophisticated modern computer control and design.

Re: SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocket last night

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Instead of parroting what you read on social media, how about doing a bit of critical thinking on this. What about all the resources going into video games, sports, movies, music, amusements parks, television, weapons systems, desserts, travel and vacations, etc? They dwarf everything put into space exploration, and are arguably less useful. Do you make the same tired comments when those industries are brought up? An…

> Instead of parroting what you read on social media, how about doing a bit of critical thinking on this Totally unnecessary. That gratuitous dig doesn't advance your argument at all. > What about all the resources going into video games, sports, movies, music, amusements parks, television, weapons systems, desserts, travel and vacations, etc? That doesn't seem like it's u/paxys issue to address. The person they resp…

> Totally unnecessary

Good point, I should have restrained myself here.

The rest of your comments would be fair, except that u/paxys said the following:

> There is enough time to think about colonizing the stars after that.

Which clearly indicates that we should not be working on space travel until AFTER we've solved humanity's problems.

Re: SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocket last night

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of parroting what you read on social media, how about doing a bit of critical thinking on this. What about all the resources going into video games, sports, movies, music, amusements parks, television, weapons systems, desserts, travel and vacations, etc? They dwarf everything put into space exploration, and are arguably less useful. Do you make the same tired comments when those industries are brought up? An…

GP: >> The single most important job humanity has is to get our eggs into more than one basket. OP: > The single most important job for humanity right now is to save this one planet we have from destruction. You're arguing with nobody's point.

I'm arguing with this:

> There is enough time to think about colonizing the stars after that.

Which directly states that problems should be worked on serially - that space travel should be worked on AFTER we solve other problems.

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