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Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Same reason why folks who got chicken pox as kids don't need the vaccine; we already had it! Edit: If you did have chickenpox, CDC says you don't need the vaccine. > CDC recommends two doses of chickenpox vaccine for children, adolescents, and adults who have never had chickenpox and were never vaccinated . https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/varicella/public/index.html

> Same reason why folks who got chicken pox as kids don't need the vaccine; we already had it! Chicken pox is a different disease. It's not the same as COVID-19. There are a lot of questions around natural COVID-19 immunity that people who want to rely on it need to answer if they don't want to get vaccinated ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27987103 ). Then there's the question of why go through so much troubl…

At this point I think the proof is already quite clear:

[1] https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-37...

[2] "The people who are not testing positive in the current outbreak are those who have had COVID-19 previously and recovered. These people account for 9% of Israel’s population but less than 1% of recent infections, according to Kovler’s analysis." source: https://www.deseret.com/platform/amp/coronavirus/2021/7/20/2...

[3] https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org/2021/06/09/cleveland-cl...

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Ugg, why doesn't anybody, whether it be government officials, employers, whatever, ever consider those with natural immunity? It's like some weird joke. The official CDC estimates over 115 MILLION natural infections in the U.S. alone, and that only accounts for February 2020-March 2021 . It doesn't account for all the infections before February 2020 (I and most of my coworkers in downtown SF got it in January) nor an…

I’d expect natural immunity to be more robust to future covid mutations than vaccination, since our bodies will have been exposed to and responded against all parts of covid’s biology rather than just the spike proteins.

It is if I understand this correctly: https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-37...

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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I want to thank all those who answered my questions politely. I'm pleased to say you appear to have been the majority. Unfortunately, I'm still unconvinced that the unvaccinated are harming anyone other than themselves. This opens a good topic on the role of paternalism to force people to better themselves. But that'll be for another day.

unvaccinated people are two to three times more contagious than vaccinated people. therefore they are spreaders. please note I'm only repeating what I heard from the cbc. the other arguments are mostly economics and logistics. e.g delaying surgeries

Unvaccinated people are not more contagious. Latest study shows they have about the same viral load.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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I have taken both shots. But I wouldn't call them "safe", as they are young and approved under emergency guidelines. They are probably safe, but nobody knows that right now.

They're vastly safer than letting the pandemic rage on, at least.

That isn't what the data is showing...

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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I'm vaccinated and I personally don't care if others choose not to do it.

I care because despite being vaccinated and having had restrictions lifted, I am once again affected by them because of people that refuse to get vaccinated. If the consequences were siloed to unvaccinated people, I wouldn't care as that's their choice.

You know vaccinated people still transmit right?

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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I'm vaccinated and I personally don't care if others choose not to do it.

That's nice. I have a baby. I don't want to be exposed to unvaxxed people at the office and risk bringing that home to my baby.

You know the vaccine doesn't do anything to stop transmission right? So you can be in a room full of vaccinated people and still be just as likely to get it...

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Probably, but it would be a communal requirement rather than a top-down requirement.

Your distaste for authority is noted. Most Googlers are for the vaccination requirement.

Not at any of their data centers...the folks working in critical environments (electricians, mechanics, water chemistry SMEs, fire alarm testers, elevator inspectors, etc.) are not for the vaccine...

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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I am saying this as someone who has both shots and generally supports the vaccination. From what I understand Google is known as a company with a "liberal" culture. Is demanding employees accept one side of an argument and adhere to it (or face the consequences) contrary to the definition of "liberal"? That's the problem with Western politics. Liberal vs. conservative is no longer about how permissive we are with ide…

This policy has nothing to do with opinions and political leanings; it's a physical safety policy for an office. Most offices would also deny you access if you try to get in and stab fellow employees with dirty needles you found by the bus stop. You could argue the merits of Google not allowing employees the option to permanently work from home, but as far as their offices are concerned this is a very sane requiremen…

Would you agree with employers doing this with something like AIDS?

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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I am saying this as someone who has both shots and generally supports the vaccination. From what I understand Google is known as a company with a "liberal" culture. Is demanding employees accept one side of an argument and adhere to it (or face the consequences) contrary to the definition of "liberal"? That's the problem with Western politics. Liberal vs. conservative is no longer about how permissive we are with ide…

What argument..? The workforce is safer if vaccines are mandated in the office. Indisputable.

The data would disagree with you
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