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Why is China smashing its tech industry?

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Re: Why is China smashing its tech industry?

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> China may simply see things differently. It’s possible that the Chinese government has decided that the profits of companies like Alibaba and Tencent come more from rents than from actual value added Excellent observation, and I hope, for China's sake, that this is the reason. The United States is likely in for a long-term rude awakening when it finally realizes that an economy predicated on negative-value-add acti…

> Facebook and Netflix are excellent examples of companies that contribute greatly to our GDP whilst simultaneously draining our reserves of actual capital and mental health.

It's not so clear to me that this is true. The fundamental question is - if not this, then what? If you accept that people can only work a certain amount, then a "perfectly" "productive" society involves people working just that amount, and then going home and entertaining themselves the amount that is necessary to recharge, safely, and then repeating. If not Netflix, then what? Alcohol and drunk driving?

I'm not saying watching Netflix is what we should aspire to, but compared to the alternatives, it seems reasonably likely to contribute to economic growth. A passive workforce works.

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> There are certainly those in America who believe that Facebook and Google produce little of value relative to the profit they rake in; maybe China’s leaders, for reasons that will remain forever opaque to us, have simply reached the same conclusion. Arguably, capturing most of your country's top talent with absurd salaries and putting them to work on world-critical challenges like... how to generate more revenue fr…

I have a similar experience. I grew up wanting to work in robotics but found pure software work to be as enjoyable (maybe not as "meaningful", but as enjoyable), and much more lucrative.

Not sure why coding CRUD pays so much more than what robotics tends to. I guess there's more material costs, costs to get a company started and profitable could be higher.

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China's investment into hard-tech (semiconductors, etc) doesn't not mean it can't also allow for the growth of consumer tech. For instance, we subsidize farming to keep it state-side but we don't prevent food processing companies from growing and consolidating.

Maybe the point here is that the government in china wants to always be between the consumer and the service, which makes a lot more sense. Maybe Alibaba and the like have a connection to every person and the gov'ment is threatened by that relationship.

There are many possibilities but I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion of the author: that to grow their hard-tech industry, they have to punish consumer tech.

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post #11

> China may simply see things differently. It’s possible that the Chinese government has decided that the profits of companies like Alibaba and Tencent come more from rents than from actual value added Excellent observation, and I hope, for China's sake, that this is the reason. The United States is likely in for a long-term rude awakening when it finally realizes that an economy predicated on negative-value-add acti…

Facebook, sure. Why Netflix? TV and movies have always been around. The US owes its status as a cultural superpower to Hollywood. Too much TV and movie-watching isn't good for a nation, sure, but you could make that argument about any pastime.

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We don’t actually know why anyone in power does anything. One thing I do know is we as the West need to figure out how to come together and defend democratic and liberal values, as without them we are seriously lost. We should start by not giving any more money and technology to a Chinese state that clearly do not have our best interests at heart. I think the west is in real danger of just falling apart over the next…

"We don’t actually know why anyone in power does anything." This is a not true. Dictators do long speeches. Often quite explicitly stating why they do what they do. Funnily sometimes in democracies there is a bigger space betweeen what is done and what is communicated.

Those speeches usually contain about as much actual information as a corporate PR statement: they, at best, tell you why the dictator wants others to think they are doing something.

The only logical way to interpret the intentions of political leaders is to look at their effects. Anything else, even personal diaries, are likely full of interested reasoning and outright lies.

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If you really believe that entertainment doesn't improve the human experience, I feel sorry for you.

The OP is probably talking about the psychological impact of washing Netflix restlessly during long periods of time. That generates GDP, but the net impact on society might not be positive. Same thing with the psychological issues associated with social media addiction.

People watched TV for many hours daily for decades now. I agree that it’s not healthy, but it’s not purely a new technology’s fault.

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The scale that these companies operate on requires huge innovations in software engineering and computer science. Think about all the distributed systems that have come out of places like Facebook and Google over the last 2 decades.

I think that's overstating. To be sure some real tech challenges in distributing work horizontally, but I don't think it's created anywhere near the amount of value that's come out of e.g. space race research.

The tech is less visible and more boring but I'm doubtful that this is true:

> I don't think it's created anywhere near the amount of value that's come out of e.g. space race

The space race gave us a lot of tangible, physics/materials/hard-engineering related tech. Software gives us a lot of internet infrastructure, communications, algorithms, etc. that are incredibly useful for the average consumer. Lots of people in this thread complaining about the negative value of ads and such, but the communications infrastructure, knowledge sharing, social change due to marginalized people being able to communicate things far and wide ... there's a lot of intangible benefits that have come as a direct result of focusing heavily on consumer internet.

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Asia is headed towards war - it almost seems inevitable. Xi has publicly committed to not leaving Taiwan invasion to the next generation. China is focused on building an industrial base that complements its military power while generating cash, and internet software startups aren't going to help. For the rest of Asia, they'd do well to militarize; for Japan and Australia to consider getting nuclear weapons or hosting…

War is unlikely.

Globalization of all economies means everybody loses in a war. The devastation will harm everyone in a significant way.

The most likely outcome is just perpetual political squabbling and the continuous feeling that war is omnipresent but realistically will never occur.

China likely plans to dominate the US from a prestige standpoint. Better GDP, higher technology, that kind of thing and they already have the momentum for it.

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The U.S. has been in the process of delisting Chinese companies.

I personally suspect that China wanted to get a jump on the effort and in turn force U.S. pension & hedge funds to lose $400B.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/investors-rethink-china-bets-af...

That's a huge amount of money and will dramatically and negatively impact the public pension funds.

It's not about the tech, it's about the economic war between China and the United States. At the same time, the CCP is exerting it's authority over these companies to tighten it's control.

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Hard to judge this approach. On one hand, spartan approach to economy of USSR after WWII allowed the growth of 1960-s. On the other hand, it also helped with the collapse of 1980-s. Maybe China's trying to take that into account.

I'd actually argue with the idea that China is doing this intentionally. Maybe it's not due to the centralized planning that tech sector gets smashed - maybe it's a much simpler reason behind that.

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