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Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by duxup »

billytetrud wrote: post #46

It's really weird that people think it's the responsibility of these platforms to police their users. Those of you that think it's easy to do, you're very very wrong. Censorship is also a problem and we should be supporting the right of idiots to voice their stupid thoughts so that we have the opportunity to voice our thoughts when others would rather not hear them. That's the whole point of freedom of speech.

>It's really weird that people think it's the responsibility of these platforms to police their users

Is that the situation here tho?

Were the platforms just going to let anything go and someone made them do it?

I don't buy into that idea here.

I doubt any of the platforms are happy to host it either.

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Post by nickthegreek »

afpx wrote: post #39

Unless people are inciting violence or organizing systematic discrimination, I think people should be free to say whatever they want. I understand why some people want to ban such speech, and there will always be those people, and there will always be ignorance and bigotry. It’s a slippery slope to give a subset of people control over what is allowed to be said. Maybe someone will point out my ignorance, too.

People are free to say what they want. People are not free to say whatever they want on another person's infrastructure. Those people are free to limit what they want to host.

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by connorgutman »

Jew here,

Being Jewish != supporting Israel. I have never been to Israel, I do not identify as Israeli, nor do I support Israel. I fully support a free and independent Palestinian state and believe Israel is commiting genocide. Only 30% of Jews live in Israel and the rest are scattered across the world. Much of the Antisemitism discussed in this article is occuring in America and across Europe. I challenge everyone to seperate these two issues, as public apathy is what fuels further attacks by extremists online and in real life.

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Post by dnzkw »

seattle_spring wrote: post #49

This doesn't surprise me at all. Anecdotally, even amongst my own acquaintances / ex-friends: even folks that regularly post gender equity and anti-racism stuff to FB have called me a "fucking Jew" for being more successful than them.

Do you think you may have been in a position of privilege during your career for being Jewish?

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by MattGaiser »

criticaltinker wrote: post #50

Is it even tenable to build an app or product centered around a social feed anymore? Manual moderation is cost prohibitive and does not scale. Algorithmic moderation gives some hope but there is a certain dystopian future that seems unavoidable in that direction. How would I go about building an accessible social feed that cannot be censored? Is there any country and/or technology in the world that is viable now and…

Depends on how you define "cannot be censored." Governments? Companies? APIs you are reading from?

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Post by [deleted] »

afpx wrote: post #39

Unless people are inciting violence or organizing systematic discrimination, I think people should be free to say whatever they want. I understand why some people want to ban such speech, and there will always be those people, and there will always be ignorance and bigotry. It’s a slippery slope to give a subset of people control over what is allowed to be said. Maybe someone will point out my ignorance, too.

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Post by [deleted] »

nickthegreek wrote: post #62
afpx wrote: post #39

Unless people are inciting violence or organizing systematic discrimination, I think people should be free to say whatever they want. I understand why some people want to ban such speech, and there will always be those people, and there will always be ignorance and bigotry. It’s a slippery slope to give a subset of people control over what is allowed to be said. Maybe someone will point out my ignorance, too.

People are free to say what they want. People are not free to say whatever they want on another person's infrastructure. Those people are free to limit what they want to host.

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Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by mattigames »

MattGaiser wrote: post #41
djohnston wrote: post #23

Does this include all the legitimate criticisms of Israel that people try to lazily deflect with accusations of antisemitism? Who is doing the counting?

The report seems to steer clear of anything regarding Palestine and Israel. It is solidly about traditional Jewish conspiracy theories. https://252f2edd-1c8b-49f5-9bb2-cb57bb47e4ba.filesusr.com/ug...

That report doesn't explicitly states omitting criticism against Israel, any report about anti-semitism that isnt explicitly stating when are Israel/Palestinian conflict comments considered anti-semitism (and when are not) is lacking depth.

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Post by FinanceAnon »

afpx wrote: post #39

Unless people are inciting violence or organizing systematic discrimination, I think people should be free to say whatever they want. I understand why some people want to ban such speech, and there will always be those people, and there will always be ignorance and bigotry. It’s a slippery slope to give a subset of people control over what is allowed to be said. Maybe someone will point out my ignorance, too.

I completely support freedom of speech. But what if there are people or companies who are making money from spreading complete lies which are very harmful to the society? I am happy for them to say what they want to small groups of people, but should they be allowed access to public platforms with millions of people?

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by sbilstein »

Frankly when us Jews call out anti-Semitism, the whole room stands up to tell us what is and is not anti-Semitism. Imagine doing that to LGBT folks or other minorities. I'm not even much of an Israel supporter but it is exhausting to hear a bunch of white progressives who have never set foot in the Middle East tell me I am wrong about the criticism I hear.

Recently, folks at Rutgers have been criticizing Campus Hillel as a Zionist organization. The place where your average secular Jewish college students gets Challah bread once a semester. Yet saying "that is anti-semitic" invites a whole bunch of people to whitesplain to you why it isn't.

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