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Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by dariusj18 »

DSingularity wrote: post #153
pasabagi wrote: post #68

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I agree. I just think if I was working for the US state department, and I was sizing up various countries around the middle east to build a partnership with, I would choose Israel every time. The only country that comes close is Turkey, and they have coups every couple of decades. I think the reasons why the ME is so unstable are a bit complex, but it's also not really relevant. If you're interested in a stable regio…

The ME is unstable by design. Why dance around the subject? The US supports anti-democratic dictatorships in the countries it controls. Guess what comes with unpopular regimes? Perpetual instability due to oppressed populations. In the countries that are not controlled the US supports any group willing to fight the government — sometimes with arms and other times with endless cash to fight the government within the f…

It's ridiculous to think the instability in the middle east is by US design, there are thousands of factions vying for power and the US has to make strategic calls day by day. Had the US made bad decisions, sure, did they know those decisions were bad at the time, probably not. If you have countries where no group (ethnic or political) has a majority, then no ruling government will be "popular".

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by pelorat »

zd123 wrote: post #50
emacsen wrote: post #27

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I know that this is probably an innocent comment on your part, but the wording of "with Palestine" implies that there are two places in a fight, one called Israel, the other called Palestine. This is a simplified explanation of why this label is not correct. Palestinians are in fact three distinct groups of people who all self-identify the same way. There are the group of people who are Israeli citizens. They used to…

Have you got a citation that Hamas is on a religious mission to "kill all non-muslims". From what I have read and understood, it's primary focus is to resist the Zionists which repeatedly encroach on Palestinian land. Imo, making a comparison to ISIS is a tad bit lazy given the historical buildup to the problems in Israel. Just because a bunch of guys have big beards and shout in Arabic doesn't really make them equiv…

The goal of Islam is 100% conversion of humanity, and death for those who resists. That's literally why it was invented 1500 years ag; World peace when everyone's a Muslim. The central idea behind the faith.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by scoot »

Slightly OT, but a week or so ago Instagram decided that I'm in Israel for the purpose of targeted advertising, and their Covid Info Center.

I've no idea why, and no idea how to fix it.

It makes skipping ads easy (anything in Hebrew), but it's mildly disconcerting not knowing what's behind it.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by toofy »

_kbh_ wrote: post #81
cf499 wrote: post #58

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"It really vindicates everything Snowden has said on the topic." Did any of his statements really need vindication though? Have we not known about this forever? (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON ) I suspect the real problem is, and always has been, our perceived inability to change any of it.

ECHELON is way worse then Pegasus though, cause ECHELON / PRISM / whatever you don't even need spyware on your phone or to be targeted to be scooped up in their net.

maybe. these are different problems existing in different scopes.

a modern echelon dragnet would get an absolute mass of encrypted data so your fear will depend on whether or not you believe governments can break that crypto, and if so, at what scale.

pegasus on the other hand is highly targeted, infects silently and completely takes over your device–the camera, the microphone, keyboard, etc… encryption will not help. nothing can save you.

echelon was dragnet, pegasus is targeted. both extremely dangerous yet i still find something about pegasus to be infinitely more frightening.

we’ve already seen very high profile journalists murdered from pegasus and i suspect we’re going to uncover more as it’s dug into further.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by seoaeu »

helge9210 wrote: post #90
byteman wrote: post #75

Isn't it a bit weird that all of the criticism is pointed at the state in which a private company made this technology and none of the criticism is pointed at the actual states that bought and used it?

Export of cyberweapon is regulated by the state.

And import by those other countries isn't?

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Post by raxxorrax »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #155
raxxorrax wrote: post #124

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As a EU citizen I don't criticise Israel for their weapon exports to much as that would be heavily hypocritical and it would also neglect the fact that EU officials actually want to implement said surveillance towards its citizens. That is not a fault of Israel, even if you want it to be.

Surely it is a fault of Israel – and also the EU? Just because our lot do it too, that doesn't stop it being a problem.

I would feel pretty stupid to criticise Israel when it comes out that my own government ordered their software. They supposedly didn't buy it, but it was on the table for negotiation.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by kota2 »

dessant wrote: post #14
adav wrote: post #5

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That's a very questionable source. With such an overtly anti-Israel position, that's probably best taken with a large pinch of salt.

I'm not familiar with the source, but can you give us a reason why one should be pro-Israel in this instance? I see nothing wrong with condemning the actions of the Israeli government, nor questioning why one of the prominent exports of the Israeli technology sector is surveillance. I keep being contacted several times a year by established Israeli companies to add spyware into my projects. A couple of weeks ago I wa…

I didn't realize it was even that bad. Wow.

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Post by bzbarsky »

luffapi wrote: post #162
bzbarsky wrote: post #156

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Anti-semitism, including of the extremely violent variety, did not start with WWII. The Balfour Declaration was a response to Jews wanting to get the hell out of a Europe that hated them and liked to go kill them every so often.

The Balfour Declaration was a request from a banker so powerful that he could order the British government to create a new colony. It has nothing to do with anti-semitism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

> It has nothing to do with anti-semitism.

Anti-semitism has nothing to do with the movement to create a homeland for the Jewish people (which then tried to garner the support of various governments, which is where the Balfour Declaration comes in)? It has everything to do with it.

Were there various colonialism-related issues involved too, of course. But pretending like that's the entire story is quite disingenuous.

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Post by ashtonkem »

seoaeu wrote: post #190
luffapi wrote: post #145

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> Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel. It’s great for everyone else though. As a US citizen, I’m tired of funding and being morally culpable for Israel’s terrorism and apartheid state. Thankfully as mentioned, the younger generations aren’t buying it anymore. Edit: Since HN has decided to throttle my replies (why?). Yes I also oppose all US military adventurism and…

It is so weird to me that so many American citizens are more worried about the moral implications of the couple billion sent to Israel than the literally trillions spent on our own wars

I think you'll find that most people concerned about military aid to Israel are likewise not a huge fan of US wars either. It's just that this thread is about Israel, so of course that is the subject that is discussed.
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