Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases • Hacker News Board

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by MattGaiser » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 3:07 PM UTC

djohnston wrote: post #23

Does this include all the legitimate criticisms of Israel that people try to lazily deflect with accusations of antisemitism? Who is doing the counting?

The report seems to steer clear of anything regarding Palestine and Israel. It is solidly about traditional Jewish conspiracy theories.

https://252f2edd-1c8b-49f5-9bb2-cb57bb47e4ba.filesusr.com/ug...

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by hirundo » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 3:07 PM UTC

I'm a Jew, a Zionist, and a knee-jerk supporter of Israel. That makes me the type of person many of these posts are hating on. But I don't think that they should be taken down. I would rather that the hatred of me and my tribe remain public and visible, so that we can see it and respond appropriately. Hiding it does not remove the sentiment or the danger. Words spoken against such hate, convincing people that it is not justified, are triggered by such posts too, yet those are also suppressed when the hate message is suppressed.

I want to know who hates me and why. Protecting me from that endangers me more.

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by liorben-david » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 3:07 PM UTC

sbilstein wrote: post #21

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #10

I'm skeptical of this kind of analysis without concrete examples of the kind of content that wasn't removed. Even if you trust the researchers (I personally am not familiar with them), there are legitimate reasons why they might not categorize things the same way as social media platforms. e: Turns out that the researchers' full report actually does contain concrete examples, which seem to be legitimately bad and tak…

I've reported this page countless times that purports to be about 'jewish contributions to society' but is clear as day dog whistling. https://www.instagram.com/jewish.contributions/?hl=en

Thanks for sharing this. Read the first two posts and I was like "oh that's a cool page". Then I kept going and realized what was going on

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by raxxorrax » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 3:07 PM UTC

Miner49er wrote: post #20

Are the George Soros ones actually anti-semitic? I'm sure some are, but it seems most are just anti George Soros.

As with antisemitism itself there might be some overlap, but I think most people basically criticise foreign NGOs meddling in domestic politics and feel passed over. Money in politics is not ideal, although there are far worse players than Soros in my opinion and I don't know of a single case where he didn't just support people to take part in democracy.

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by Ozzie_osman » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 3:08 PM UTC

This is sad because they were apparently better at taking down non anti-semitic pro-palestinian posts. https://www.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-socialme...

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by billytetrud » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 3:08 PM UTC

It's really weird that people think it's the responsibility of these platforms to police their users. Those of you that think it's easy to do, you're very very wrong. Censorship is also a problem and we should be supporting the right of idiots to voice their stupid thoughts so that we have the opportunity to voice our thoughts when others would rather not hear them. That's the whole point of freedom of speech.

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by MattGaiser » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 3:08 PM UTC

djohnston wrote: post #31

duxup wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article doesn't mention anything like that and gives a good idea of the examples. Did anyone even read the article?

I mean they give some high level examples but it's mostly non-specific and at the discretion of a group whose missions is to report this stuff... In other words... show me the data!

https://252f2edd-1c8b-49f5-9bb2-cb57bb47e4ba.filesusr.com/ug...

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by Dobbs » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 3:08 PM UTC

hirundo wrote: post #42

I'm a Jew, a Zionist, and a knee-jerk supporter of Israel. That makes me the type of person many of these posts are hating on. But I don't think that they should be taken down. I would rather that the hatred of me and my tribe remain public and visible, so that we can see it and respond appropriately. Hiding it does not remove the sentiment or the danger. Words spoken against such hate, convincing people that it is n…

The problem is that this type of content spreads like a virus faster than it can be combated with sanity and reason.

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by seattle_spring » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 3:09 PM UTC

This doesn't surprise me at all. Anecdotally, even amongst my own acquaintances / ex-friends: even folks that regularly post gender equity and anti-racism stuff to FB have called me a "fucking Jew" for being more successful than them.

Re: Anti-Semitic social posts 'not taken down' in 80% of cases

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Post by criticaltinker » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 3:10 PM UTC

Is it even tenable to build an app or product centered around a social feed anymore? Manual moderation is cost prohibitive and does not scale. Algorithmic moderation gives some hope but there is a certain dystopian future that seems unavoidable in that direction.

How would I go about building an accessible social feed that cannot be censored? Is there any country and/or technology in the world that is viable now and in the long term?