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Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by joelbluminator »

zd123 wrote: post #134
joelbluminator wrote: post #107

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> I went to a wedding of a my friend whose Grandpa is Jewish and at the wedding he was making a speech Sorry what the hell does this prove? Is this anecdote a theory that all Jews think that and somehow implement this thinking regarding Palestinians? ?

Let me break it down for you. Do you know what the concept of Gentile[0]? It refers to a pretty clear distinction between a jew and non-jew. Zionists have used this concept in the past to make a distinction between the "souls" of Jews and non-Jews. This has led to very discriminatory views towards minorities in Israel (just look at the polls/surveys for independent data). This has led to a two-tier system in the mind…

Well I think Jews learned the hard way they are different, so it makes sense to have a word for someone who isn't Jewish. The settlements are a controversial topic in Israel, a fact is all of Gaza's settlements were dismantled and besides a very vocal minority no one in Israel gave a damn.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by Gustomaximus »

noduerme wrote: post #29
emacsen wrote: post #16

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As others have mentioned, the source you're citing is at best highly questionable. The amount of leaps the article makes is just out of this world, mostly that this Israeli company has Israelis involved, and that Israelis who have experience with mathematics and computer work also serve their mandatory military service in an intelligence unit of the military rather than as foot soldiers and that an Israeli company ha…

The really scary part is that Q nuts like this are now running the Republican party, and they have no love for Israel. The second most egregious mistake Netanyahu made, after bowing to the settlers, was staking Israel's future on an alliance with the American right. Only the four people at Commentary Magazine believe there's still a non-crazy conservative movement in the US who wouldn't turn on Israel in a heartbeat.…

I've really noticed this. Right wing forums seem to have shifted significantly over the last year or 2 from the evangelical support of Israeli state, now increasingly to 'jews are the puppet master' type commentary. Also worryingly the general (and more to do with democrats) call to arms type commentary has been growing too. You like yo hope its a significant minority but it doesn't seem to get pushed down in the forums.

I really dont know how society can deal with this movement if it grows. I suspect the best way is access to quality education + plentiful & reasonably paid jobs when people enter the workforce at all levels. Not trying to be political but I feel this is one of many reasons why things like higher minimum wages are so important and a somewhat egalitarian society as I think much of the discontent ultimately comes from people not happy with their societal status.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by seoaeu »

fourier1234 wrote: post #175
seoaeu wrote: post #172

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Seriously? "...the one (((they))) really like to use..."? Whenever the topic of Israel comes up, there's always the handful eager to accuse Jews about always crying wolf on antisemitism. Makes you wonder why they're so eager to preempt any honest discussion of antisemitism

You know exactly why, because of how anti-semitism is used as an excuse to ignore all the Israeli and/or Jewish terrorism.

> and/or Jewish terrorism.

Rather curious who you think all these Jewish non-Israeli terrorists are

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by joelbluminator »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #152
joelbluminator wrote: post #120

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Steer what to where? Are you saying Israel's history and present are not connected to Jewish history and the 20th century atrocities? That's an extremely bizarre position to hold.

What isn't connected to Jewish history? Let's see… Christianity's out, as is everything influenced by that. Same with Islam. Considering conquerers, trade, settlement – even just the impact of the United States – that leaves… not very much. The atrocities of WWII are more recent than the start of Jewish history, but it's called “World War II” for a reason. Think of the impact of the Geneva Conventions, for just one e…

A lot of things are not connected to Jewish history, especially not recent Jewish history. We are not that important.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by olivierduval »

This story is kind of funny: "intelligence" is a game where everybody cheat and everybody say that he doesn't. That's the basic (and maybe only) rule of the game... So when a cheater is caught, the main consequence is that... he has to find another way to cheat!!!

For a long time, Israel is known to be cheating with cyber... and I wouldn't be surprised that France is using NSO services too! Same goes for Palantir...

But it has to be non-public! Showing it publicly is a way to force everybody to find other ways... but won't change the world nor the game. And it's not about "terrorist"... just about "intelligence" and "national security"

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Post by bjourne »

skinkestek wrote: post #169
HappyDreamer wrote: post #168

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GP: > > Israel is written about, almost always negatively, on a daily basis on all major newspapers You could say that about the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) as well or the dictators in Saudi Arabia. Sometimes there's a well founded reason for criticizing the state in a country. That does not mean the ones who criticize the Israeli state or the CCP, would think that everyone in Israel or China are bad people. P: > s…

> Let's say there's 2 articles about settlers taking land, and 10 articles about startups and tech companies in Israe I'm talking about almost every news outlet writing "Israel bombed Gaza" and only one being nuanced enough to mention "Israel bombed Gaza after n hundred rockets crossed the border during the last 24 hours." Settlers taking land is also interesting. It took quite a while before someone (and none of the…

> I'm talking about almost every news outlet writing "Israel bombed Gaza" and only one being nuanced enough to mention "Israel bombed Gaza after n hundred rockets crossed the border during the last 24 hours."

It goes both ways. I haven't seen the headline "Palestinian militias shell Israeli targets in response to Israel's attempts to ethnically cleanse illegally occupied Palestinian territory" either.

> It took quite a while before someone (and none of the big ones) cared to mention that the latest dispute was over Jewish owned land that was stolen by Jordan during their short management of east Jerusalem and sold to Arabs.

Has anyone of them mentioned the massive irony in Israel returning lands stolen from Jews while at the same time keeping all the land it itself stole from Palestinians?

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by [deleted] »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #20

What I find funny is this: "Our clients only use the software against terrorists and criminals, so it can't be used the wrong way" "We made sure that it doesn't work against US phone numbers". That is straight out of "A Few Good Men": If Colonel Jessup ordered the soldier should not be touched, and soldiers follow orders, why was the victim scheduled for a plane ride off the base?

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Post by ohashi »

joelbluminator wrote: post #103
nindalf wrote: post #59

I’m not surprised that all statements from the Israeli government are filled with nothing. “We need to understand what happened” means “sorry not sorry”. This spyware is invaluable for the Israeli government because they have something that repressive Arab regimes want. These regimes can’t be bought with money, because some of them like Saudi Arabia and UAE have plenty of money. Israel needs friends and this is a gre…

Well from an Israeli point of view how is this wrong then? Maintaining a good relationship with Saudi Arabia is a game changer for Israel.

It could become wrong if they lose the support of the west. Imagine the US and EU giving up on Israel. It's a multi dimensional issue and playing nice with their neighbors may be advantageous if nobody knows (publicly). But if they do and there are bigger more important relationships (namely US) start to be put at risk, it could be the wrong move.

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Post by ohashi »

byteman wrote: post #75

Isn't it a bit weird that all of the criticism is pointed at the state in which a private company made this technology and none of the criticism is pointed at the actual states that bought and used it?

The article makes a pretty good reason why it's aimed at the state. The potentially close relationship between private companies and the state and how intelligence is/was likely shared between them. If that's true, NSO Group is acting as an agent of the state - thus Israel would be spying on France and caught doing it. Thus the anger directed at the state level, as well as the company and governments. A lot of the government you would want to be upset at, well, they don't give a shit and that's why people don't like them.

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Post by seoaeu »

luffapi wrote: post #145
ashtonkem wrote: post #109

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The old guard is … old. Their ability to hold onto electoral power is impressive (and annoying to me), but the actuarial tables are looming here. Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel.

> Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel. It’s great for everyone else though. As a US citizen, I’m tired of funding and being morally culpable for Israel’s terrorism and apartheid state. Thankfully as mentioned, the younger generations aren’t buying it anymore. Edit: Since HN has decided to throttle my replies (why?). Yes I also oppose all US military adventurism and…

It is so weird to me that so many American citizens are more worried about the moral implications of the couple billion sent to Israel than the literally trillions spent on our own wars
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