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Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by olivierduval »

wchar_t wrote: post #159
pulse7 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't Arabs also "semitic people" [1]? (Since Ishmael and Abraham are also descendants of Shem...). In this case "antisemitic" would also mean "against Arabs"... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

Yes, they are also a Semitic group, but "Anti-Semitic" has come to refer to hatred specifically against Israelis. Maybe because that hatred is more widespread than hatred against all Semitic people...?

Actually, "anti-semitic" is against "jewish" person (as a religion) and not against "israeli" citizen (as a nationality). The last one is called "anti-sionist"...

The fact that Israel is a nation "home for jews" doesn't help, as some people think that every critic against Israel politic is the mark of "anti-semitism" even if religion has nothing to do with. Sometimes it might be the indicator of "anti-sionism" and sometimes... just the indicator of political difference! After all, you can criticize any country for its politic without critizing the counrty "per se"

Moreover, a lot of people in Israel are not jewish but muslims.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by seoaeu »

jessaustin wrote: post #87
DSingularity wrote: post #76

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The problem is it kind of works. Israeli propagandists describe anyone who opposes Israeli war crimes or anyone that critiques their continued colonization of Palestinians as terrorist sympathizers. Guess what seemingly everyone in media/politics avoid?

"Terrorist sympathizer" is a milder slander than the one they really like to use for critics of Israel's actions, "antisemitic".

Seriously? "...the one (((they))) really like to use..."?

Whenever the topic of Israel comes up, there's always the handful eager to accuse Jews about always crying wolf on antisemitism. Makes you wonder why they're so eager to preempt any honest discussion of antisemitism

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by joelbluminator »

luffapi wrote: post #162
bzbarsky wrote: post #156

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Anti-semitism, including of the extremely violent variety, did not start with WWII. The Balfour Declaration was a response to Jews wanting to get the hell out of a Europe that hated them and liked to go kill them every so often.

The Balfour Declaration was a request from a banker so powerful that he could order the British government to create a new colony. It has nothing to do with anti-semitism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Why is the Balfour Declaration a main point in your argument? It could have not happen and yet Jews would still have been desperate to find a state of their own. I am not sure how it relates to anything besides it being a piccant topic (a powerful banker!)

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by toofy »

l33tbro wrote: post #2

The genie might be out of the bottle here for them. A lot of investigative journalism now coming out (1) which shows that Pegasus is really just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Israeli spyware. (1) https://www.mintpressnews.com/meet-toka-the-most-dangerous-i...

I understand how messy the context surrounding this next point is but it’s worth considering.

From what Ive been seeing over the past couple weeks, the article is probably correct in that pegasus is just the beginning of what we’re going to find out regarding how deep the rabbit hole goes with israeli malware firms, however mint press has a very long history of what may be questionable funding and there have been quite a lot of organizations who have done some pretty well researched investigating that implicates mint press in some pretty nasty propaganda.

Again, I understand how complicated and messy this kind of thing can be, but if you at all value accuracy in your analysis, it would absolutely be worth looking at some of their history regarding incredibly questionable funding and very strange propaganda for certain regimes.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by fourier1234 »

seoaeu wrote: post #172
jessaustin wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Terrorist sympathizer" is a milder slander than the one they really like to use for critics of Israel's actions, "antisemitic".

Seriously? "...the one (((they))) really like to use..."? Whenever the topic of Israel comes up, there's always the handful eager to accuse Jews about always crying wolf on antisemitism. Makes you wonder why they're so eager to preempt any honest discussion of antisemitism

You know exactly why, because of how anti-semitism is used as an excuse to ignore all the Israeli and/or Jewish terrorism.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by refurb »

ashtonkem wrote: post #109
refurb wrote: post #86

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Dude, the old guard Democrats love Israel. They have nothing to worry about, at all.

The old guard is … old. Their ability to hold onto electoral power is impressive (and annoying to me), but the actuarial tables are looming here. Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel.

The new guard is no different from the new guard of the 60’s they’ll either be squeezed out or conform.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by joelbluminator »

pasabagi wrote: post #131
joelbluminator wrote: post #122

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Any sources for that claim? That's a super complicated issue and saying "because Israel strong!" seems a bit simplistic to me.

Well, the CIA released a report that said very clearly Israel would win the 6 day war[1] without any real trouble, and this is largely considered the point at which the US started backing Israel seriously. Obviously, it's very complicated, but I think the basic picture of the middle east at the time is a bunch of states that were dysfunctional by design, with borders drawn up by powers like the UK who had the colonia…

I am not saying it had nothing to do with it but there were multiple factors for sure.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by [deleted] »

poisonarena wrote: post #79
byteman wrote: post #75

Isn't it a bit weird that all of the criticism is pointed at the state in which a private company made this technology and none of the criticism is pointed at the actual states that bought and used it?

Not weird at all, given the recent uptick in anti-israel sentiments in the left, and uptick of antisemitism worldwide

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Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by seoaeu »

DSingularity wrote: post #76
classified wrote: post #43

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Circular arguments are so convenient. And apparently "terrorists" and "criminals" (by whose definition?) have no rights whatsoever, so whatever you do to them cannot be wrong.

The problem is it kind of works. Israeli propagandists describe anyone who opposes Israeli war crimes or anyone that critiques their continued colonization of Palestinians as terrorist sympathizers. Guess what seemingly everyone in media/politics avoid?

I'm sure the "terrorist sympathizers" label has absolutely nothing to do with the same people leveling those criticisms also being rather sympathetic towards the people committing terror attacks against Israelis...
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