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Done right there will be a lot more in there than syntax errors. A good example of this sort of test will separate those who have revised syntax without really thinking (they'll get the syntax errors but little or nothing else, great if you want to employ a human linter) from those who actually think about what they are looking at will spot much more (a logical error that would cause an infinite loop, a point where a…
Does this kind of trick question work well in practice? If they explicitly ask for syntax errors it would be a waste of time to also check the code for other errors. I can’t imagine many people opting to do that unless they know it’s a trick question.
The rise of never-ending job interviews
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Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews
#722Ah Amazon... 14 interviews, an additional 5 hour technical test, spanning a total of 3+ months. Only to be informed at the end that I was too technical for the role they had in mind but they were offering me a Senior Principal SDE role instead. By the time we got to the end of the process I'd already concluded that the hiring process was a reflection of their internal decision making and that this was not a company (…
Sr principal is like L8 so you’re easily taking close to 1M/year salary.. 14 interviews is still a bit much, but you’re basically one step away from distinguished engineer which is pretty much end of the road for the engineering track at amazon
Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews
#723What’s happening is that companies want to completely remove risk from the hiring process. In the real world, you cannot remove risk. You can manage it, but you cannot remove it. Asking candidates to go through 6 interviews before making a decision and not telling them when a decision will be made signals a risk adverse culture that cannot make decisions.
I don't know if you've been through the firing process on either side, but after you go through a couple of dozen of these, and the hit to the morale/performance they entail, not to mention emotions involved, you tend to at least try to vet better to avoid such huge distractions in the future (a lose-lose for everyone involved!)
Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews
#724I was semi-actively hunting for a role a year ago. The worst offender was a company I had five meetings with, 3 of which were identical code reviews for the same code test. None of the reviewers realized I already had the code review with their peers. None knew what the next step was. Most companies just didn't have an organized funnel for candidates. The one that did I quickly took the job offer at. Here's what they…
I've seen the same thing. It makes no sense. I keep telling myself the incentives can't really be such that your hiring process be actively antagonistic...not if we want anything good right?
But perhaps the market can stay irrational longer than I can go without income. Hold strong to the companies that bother to acknowledge you're a person.
Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews
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It was for a junior c# position so I doubt it's applicable considering Visual Studio will point out the problems. But I'm curious what position would this question make sense?
> I'm curious what position would this question make sense? I was once asked a similar but better posed question: I was given some code and asked what I'd point out if asked to do a code review on it. And the code had loads of things wrong with it, from bad variable names and incorrect comments, through unit tests that didn't have any assertions and loops that weren't actually loops, all the way to choosing a non-sec…
Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews
#726Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's GP? Gaussian process? General practitioner? Or, most commonly on HN, grandparent [post]? Or maybe the whole point of using that abbreviation is to exclude those outside Amazon?
I think he means LPs, Leadership Principles
Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews
#727total length of time ~ 7 months emails sent/received ~ 50 phone calls ~ 20 technical interviews: 7 (1 with screen with recruiter, 6 with engineers)
team match interviews: 3 (for me at least these were real interviews, in that I "flunked" the first 2, and decided to take the 3rd one very seriously before getting an offer)
Before getting hiring approval, I honestly felt that I would get rejected, and I can honestly say that being more "personable" and very "communicative" probably had a lot to do with why I made it through.
My honest advice would be to stop thinking of these long interview processes in terms of a a binary outcome that you have complete control over. Instead, think of it as trying to maximize some hidden parameter of a binomial distribution, where every interaction slightly increases your odds in the final coin flip.
Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews
#728It's hard to establish during the interview process that someone will be able to do the job you need them to do. Hiring them is a huge risk, both legal and cultural. It's not easy to fire people, and lawsuits/arbitration are common.
The endless interview process, which costs companies many good candidates, is there because they fear the bad ones they can't recognize.
Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews
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Pretend there's a Programming Quotient (PQ) which is like IQ. Let's say Google would like candidates with PQ>130 with 95% confidence. Google has an error with std. div. of 15 points in measurement of PQ in jobs interviews. Google then needs to set the hiring bar at 160 PQ in order to get those candidates. This: - screens most qualified candidates out; but - most candidates who do screen in are qualified Statistics wo…
> all Googlers are convinced they all have a PQ>160, and are superior to everyone else. And likewise, other employers looking to hire ex-Googlers are convinced of the same.
Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews
#730My one and only Google interview went this way years ago. Each round they'd send me more books to study, which frankly I couldn't be bothered to read given the circumstances. My experience ended when an interviewer in round 3 or 4 asked me an obviously scripted question. I answered sarcastically, he got peeved, and I never heard from them again. I'm not claiming I'm Google caliber, whatever that means. Obviously I'm…