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Jaipur’s Last Stand

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Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

#31

What a ridiculous article. Nothing but fawning over aristocracy. Borderline misogynistic too with quotes like "Indira could not stomach a woman more good-looking than herself and insulted her in Parliament".

I don’t have a judgement about the article, but I think you’ve clearly misread it?

The quote is not by the author, rather as written - “As the writer Khushwant Singh eloquently observed”.

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

#32
post #31

What a ridiculous article. Nothing but fawning over aristocracy. Borderline misogynistic too with quotes like "Indira could not stomach a woman more good-looking than herself and insulted her in Parliament".

I don’t have a judgement about the article, but I think you’ve clearly misread it? The quote is not by the author, rather as written - “As the writer Khushwant Singh eloquently observed”.

"Eloquently observed" means the author enthusiastically agrees.

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Gandhi dynasty is not descended from the M.K "Mahatma" Gandhi who fought for independence. It is descended from Nehru though, through Indira Gandhi (née Nehru).

Nehru did fight for independence though.

By "the ... Gandi who did X" I meant, "as opposed to the other Gandhis who didn't X".

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

#34

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> lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India" Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu. I'm from Karnataka (a southern state) and majority of kannadigas love India and are patriotic. > worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? I've lived in New Delhi for more tha…

> Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu. It is informative that you assume I am from Tamil Nadu. It tells us a lot about the underlying assumptions within your "views". > Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? No one said that except for you. I'll try to simplify what I said since you had difficulty comprehending what I wrote. What I said was that I am opposed to those who worship "India's l…

> lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India"

Speak for yourself. I am from Andhra Pradesh, settled in Telangana. Never have I heard your kind of bullshit, except from ultra-leftists on the web. I don't think you have a substantial minority (leave alone a majority) supporting your stand in TN!

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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How it all ended for princely families: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_lapse . Ones which lasted until 1971, were de-recognised in years prior to the emergency. Surprisingly, Jaipur princes managed to largely regain their wealth after being stripped of it, if not actually becoming more wealthier. This is while even the main family line of Nizam of Hyderabad barely got enough money to live properly, and som…

> This is while even the main family line of Nizam of Hyderabad barely got enough money to live properly, and some of their relatives died in abject poverty. The last of Mughals famously died as a bum. They deserved it imho. Surprised the nizam wasn't prosecuted for his crimes against humanity. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/surviv...

Many of the princely states committed crimes like this at various points in history.

The Rajasthani princes retained their wealth by converting their princely estates into hotels / resorts, or diversifying their incomes, as they saw the end of government assistance coming. The South Indian princes did not do the same, imo, though there may be many other factors at play, I believe this is the largest one.

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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Indira Gandhi is being painted in a complete negative light here, and the Princes and Kings and Nawabs are being glorified here. Let me disagree. The Princes, Nawabs, and Kings were all chosen based on birth and birth only and they are flag bearers of a classist society with no chance of upwards mobility . They were proponents of a system which was deeply sexist and castiest. I am very glad that they were gotten rid…

1. They were gotten rid off long before Indira Gandhi came anywhere close to power. What she did do, was legislate the abolition of privy purses. These were part of the agreement that the GoI had with the princes at the time of accession. Indira violated that contract, because she was in power.

Her primary sins: 1. Emergency 2. Nationalization of banks, and other leftist causes. 3. Abolition of privy purses.

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

#37
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Indira Gandhi is being painted in a complete negative light here, and the Princes and Kings and Nawabs are being glorified here. Let me disagree. The Princes, Nawabs, and Kings were all chosen based on birth and birth only and they are flag bearers of a classist society with no chance of upwards mobility . They were proponents of a system which was deeply sexist and castiest. I am very glad that they were gotten rid…

Most current day Indians hate Indira Gandhi, those who appreciated her actions as you say above hate any hate of her and don't tolerate hearing it at all.

Funny you mention the "mass-rapist regime of Pakistan" as mass-rape is exactly what India is now being accused of in the Kashmir region. Just goes to show you that war never changes.

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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> I would say only the millennial generation onward do Indian citizens feel they belong to India Most of the people in my state, and a lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India". India seems to expect us to fall to the ground and worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense, and we decline. We don't belong to anyone other tha…

> lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India" Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu. I'm from Karnataka (a southern state) and majority of kannadigas love India and are patriotic. > worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? I've lived in New Delhi for more tha…

> Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense?

I believe the parent didn't call the North Indian language and religion nonsense. They argue against the attempts to make all the diverse ethnic groups/regions fall in line behind some centrally mandated language and religion.

They actually argue for the diversity and autonomy of the various groups to maintain their language and traditions, which is hard to disagree with (as an outsider).

The history of trying to repress religions and ethnic groups is long and bloody, no matter where we look on the globe.

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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> lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India" Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu. I'm from Karnataka (a southern state) and majority of kannadigas love India and are patriotic. > worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? I've lived in New Delhi for more tha…

> Why do you believe that north indian language are nonsense? Hindi language should first correct the pronunciation of words like "Baink" for Bank, "Baal" for Ball, "Daaktar" for Doctor etc. And then thinking of enforcing that language on rest of the country. I am curious, why Samskrut is not used as a common language for India, like how Hebrew resurrected as a language of Israel? With English as second language, and…

the Jews were a people group, there is no such as 'Indian', there is nothing to resurrect since it never existed in the first place.
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