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Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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Post by pranavdotexe »

jangid wrote: post #8
vishnugupta wrote: post #6

Fascinating story. This brings fourth how complex a country India is. Before (and even during) the British rule India was a ruled tens of of such princely states each in turn had hundreds of low level feudal lords. While British did unify India in terms of governing it, the people always recognised themselves with the king's region. E.g., Mysore region, Hyderabad kingdom etc., India truly became a single political en…

True. And some states will still take another couple of generations. For example, no sense of Indian-ness was observed when killing Assam policemen by the fellow Indians on the other side fighting over state border. I remember a discussion a couple of years ago. Why Indian states are not as straight cut as US states? The above incident is an example why it is not possible as yet here. I am not saying it is good or ba…

I think in every case around the world except North America, borders are associated with centuries of history. Since today's North American's aren't native - the borders weren't necessarily meant to follow any historical significance. This might be the reason of straight demarcations.

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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Post by redis_mlc »

db1234 wrote: post #3
nobrains wrote: post #2

The nickname "Ayesha" is not mentioned once in the wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayatri_Devi From the original article: "Ayesha and Jai, as they were known to their friends, soon became India’s ‘golden couple’, its answer to John and Jackie Kennedy or Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip."

The story behind the name Ayesha: "Gayatri Devi was more commonly known as Ayesha to her friends and family. According to her, her mother was reading a Rider Haggard's novel and decided that she would name her child Ayesha, after the protagonist. Some days after the birth of Gayatri Devi, an Islamic friend of Indira Devi, told her that Ayesha is a Muslim name. The name remained as a nickname since the family was alre…

You should have finished the story.

The Prophet Mohammed married Ayesha at 6 yo and had sex with her at 9 yo. We know this is true because the Koran says so, and also mentions her dolls.

Wait, it gets better.

Since the Prophet was the "perfect man" and Muslim men emulate him, in Islamic Republics you can still marry (or kidnap and marry) 6 yo girls and have sex with them. Any attempt to ban that is, of course, blasphemy against Islam, and results in riots to this day.

An attempt is being to whitewash online Korans to hide this and other less savory practices from the public. The Muslim world is aware that the Koran is full of horrible things, but are fine with that as long as people can't link to it directly.

Ironically, since the Koran is the "perfect word of God" and "easy for anybody to understand", altering online versions is also blasphemy. :)

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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Post by anonymous_i »

throwaway636536 wrote: post #15
thedravidian wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would say only the millennial generation onward do Indian citizens feel they belong to India Most of the people in my state, and a lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India". India seems to expect us to fall to the ground and worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense, and we decline. We don't belong to anyone other tha…

> lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India" Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu. I'm from Karnataka (a southern state) and majority of kannadigas love India and are patriotic. > worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? I've lived in New Delhi for more tha…

> worship "India's language is Hindi",

I think , what he is trying to say is, ascribing a single language to a diversified nation like India is not a good idea.

> Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense?

Free speech.LoL.I am not saying OP is right or is following HN etiquette, but that it is OP's opinion(not fact, not truth).

> I don't think North Indians are backward relative to South Indians. Although they are relatively poor.

Bihar is the most uneducated state in the country. Kolkata is a terrible to place to conduct business of any kind. Although , this is not representative of the North.

But what is North anyway ? Should we consider anything above Madhya Pradesh North ? Does Gujarat count as North ? Does Mizoram count as North ?

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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Post by tsjq »

newyankee wrote: post #9

The article claims that Nehru and Gandhi hated princely dynasties and ironically they themselves are now a political dynasty unwilling to share power with non family members

nitpick: today's Gandhi dynasty (Sonia, Rahul, Priyanka, Robert) is actually Nehru progeny. Nehru's daughter Indira married one Feroze Gandy and got their surnames "updated" to Gandhi spelling. the Gandy and Gandhi have absolutely no connection .

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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Post by tsjq »

throwaway636536 wrote: post #15
thedravidian wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would say only the millennial generation onward do Indian citizens feel they belong to India Most of the people in my state, and a lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India". India seems to expect us to fall to the ground and worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense, and we decline. We don't belong to anyone other tha…

> lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India" Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu. I'm from Karnataka (a southern state) and majority of kannadigas love India and are patriotic. > worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? I've lived in New Delhi for more tha…

behavorially and educationally, North Indians are backward than the South Indians.

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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Post by tsjq »

vishnugupta wrote: post #19
phekunde wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of what you said is not true. There were attempts made to unify "India" even before the British came to India. Infact the term "Hindu", "Hindi", "India", "Hindustan" is not Indian in the first place. The words "Hindu", "Hindi" and "Hindustan" were given to the people risiding east of the Indu/Sindhu river by the Persian/Arabic visitors and invaders. And the word "India" was derived from the word "Hindustan" by t…

I am aware of the origin of the words India and Hindu which I find bemusing. > So people visiting/invading the eastern parts of the Indu/Sindhu river were considering the people there as one civilisation if not one country. I conjecture it is natural for foreigners at that time to refer to the land (and hence the people residing there) east of Sindhu river as India/Indians. For them it was just an alien/different reg…

> I highly doubt if a farmer in a village in Kerala would consider a village in Punjab as belonging to his nation

haha, not even today

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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Post by thedravidian »

throwaway636536 wrote: post #15
thedravidian wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would say only the millennial generation onward do Indian citizens feel they belong to India Most of the people in my state, and a lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India". India seems to expect us to fall to the ground and worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense, and we decline. We don't belong to anyone other tha…

> lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India" Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu. I'm from Karnataka (a southern state) and majority of kannadigas love India and are patriotic. > worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? I've lived in New Delhi for more tha…

> Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu.

It is informative that you assume I am from Tamil Nadu. It tells us a lot about the underlying assumptions within your "views".

> Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense?

No one said that except for you. I'll try to simplify what I said since you had difficulty comprehending what I wrote. What I said was that I am opposed to those who worship "India's language is Hindi". Further, I am opposed to those "who worship Aryans". Surely I don't have to explain why "wheatish" supremacy and other similar nonsense is a bad thing?

> I don't think North Indians are backward relative to South Indians. Although they are relatively poor.

Oh ho ho. Again, not something I said. You seem to have a great deal of imagination and are jousting against your imagined provocations instead of what I communicated.

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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Post by forcry »

girishso wrote: post #20
pritambaral wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Gandhi dynasty is not descended from the M.K "Mahatma" Gandhi who fought for independence. It is descended from Nehru though, through Indira Gandhi (née Nehru).

Nehru did fight for independence though.

An interview with Nehru. Not to prove anything..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdkRwYkkSxk

Re: Jaipur’s Last Stand

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Post by [deleted] »

thedravidian wrote: post #10
vishnugupta wrote: post #6

Fascinating story. This brings fourth how complex a country India is. Before (and even during) the British rule India was a ruled tens of of such princely states each in turn had hundreds of low level feudal lords. While British did unify India in terms of governing it, the people always recognised themselves with the king's region. E.g., Mysore region, Hyderabad kingdom etc., India truly became a single political en…

> I would say only the millennial generation onward do Indian citizens feel they belong to India Most of the people in my state, and a lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India". India seems to expect us to fall to the ground and worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense, and we decline. We don't belong to anyone other tha…

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