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Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B

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Re: Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B

#21

Horrible. People ought to know enough to not use these products in the first place, but people will use it anyway. They should be required to show the long term effects before being used, much like the gore packaging used on cigarettes in some places. What’s the financial equivalent of lung cancer or having a stoma?

The long-term effects of a zero-interest loan? What are those?

Re: Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B

#22

Horrible. People ought to know enough to not use these products in the first place, but people will use it anyway. They should be required to show the long term effects before being used, much like the gore packaging used on cigarettes in some places. What’s the financial equivalent of lung cancer or having a stoma?

What do you mean by this?

Re: Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B

#23
Square is buying a loan shark service.

"The Australian Securities and Investments Commission found one in five buy now, pay later users is missing payments, half of users aged between 18 to 29 cut back on essential items to make repayments, and more than 1.1 million transactions in 2019 incurred multiple missed payment fees.

It also warned 15 per cent of users, and half under 29, had taken out an additional loan to pay for the services, while 55 per cent of consumers paying late had used at least two different buy now, pay later providers in the past six months."

https://www.afr.com/companies/financial-services/one-in-five...

Re: Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B

#26
I've just come to accept that I'll never understand corporate finance. Based on the data I could find, this works out to a sales price of about 76 times revenue for Afterpay. Even for a fast growing company, how can they ever grow into that valuation? Of course, it's an all stock deal, so perhaps it's better to just consider what percentage of Square they're giving to Afterpay stockholders, but I still just can't wrap my head around these prices given the revenue numbers.

Re: Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B

#27
post #20

As a customer are there any downsides to using these BNPL platforms when I'm buying something? I generally never buy anything online that I can't afford to pay for it outright so I have never used them before.

You might miss out on some credit card rewards or protections (chargebacks, extended warranties, extended return periods, etc).

Re: Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B

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post #20

As a customer are there any downsides to using these BNPL platforms when I'm buying something? I generally never buy anything online that I can't afford to pay for it outright so I have never used them before.

No, not really. I don't use it either. They do have late fees but even those are quite low and stop increasing once you hit a cap.

Re: Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B

#29

I've just come to accept that I'll never understand corporate finance. Based on the data I could find, this works out to a sales price of about 76 times revenue for Afterpay. Even for a fast growing company, how can they ever grow into that valuation? Of course, it's an all stock deal, so perhaps it's better to just consider what percentage of Square they're giving to Afterpay stockholders, but I still just can't wra…

Acquisitions are priced on speculated future potential after acquisition, and thinking about the potential cost of acquisition by someone else, not revenue today.

Re: Square to acquire Afterpay for $29B

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post #11

I have noticed that there isn't a lot of chatter on HN about Square. But on closer inspection it is a fascinating success story. They are building and cornering a whole ecosystem there. And their valuation is remarkable. Not just hype, but execution. Kudos to them. Between them and Stripe, it's nice to have something in payments to admire and be excited about. I remember a time when we had to deal directly with Autho…

My merchant account is cheap (interchange plus 0.1% or so) and the gateway they set me up on is Authorize.net. Still using it after 17 years or so, although indirectly via Spreedly.

If you go to a craft show or popup market or anything like that, every vendor has a Square reader to take cards. They're super successful with "offline solopreneurs" -- the independent one-person small businesses.

One of my many side gigs is selling laser-cut wood stuff of all sorts, and I make a set of Square Reader docks that sell really well. I just made several this weekend.

https://www.etsy.com/shop/ligninandlight?section_id=26787311

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