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Post by mixmastamyk »

the_only_law wrote: post #209
mixmastamyk wrote: post #189

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Start a new project on the side, using the skills you’d like to develop.

How do you balance this on the resume. I got plenty of cool project ideas, but outside of entry level, it just seems odd to list them on the resume (which I presume is the only way they’ll be seen by anyone giving the consensus on LinkedIn and personal sites). o feel it’d just look weird when you have projects and skills that seemingly have no relevance to your work experience especially when applying to roles that a…

Too negative an outlook, imho. You do the research and add the keywords, maybe project to your resume. If grilled you say I have some experience but am not an expert.

Also, you’d be surprised how much you can get done on a modern PC with vms or containers, it isn’t the nineties or aughts any longer. We used to run a full vfx company on what amounts to a single souped $10k PC today.

Or, rent a heavy-duty cloud vm for $100 a month, small investment but clock ticking will get you motivated.

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Post by pega3902 »

cxx wrote: post #247
ahmadss wrote: post #188

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Im curious to hear what types of companies an L6 / E6 at FB is applying to. Without mentioning company names, what types of opportunities are out there that convince you to leave this type of comp [1] [1] https://www.levels.fyi/company/Facebook/salaries/Software-En...

To put it simply, I used to have hobbies before working at FB. Now I don't have time for anything besides work. While the pay is really good the job is a non-stop, grueling grind with no downtime allowed. I enjoyed my time but I'm done with it. Also I can't say I'm proud of working there. There's people inside that are really great to work with and the job was challenging and interesting, but I don't care for FB the…

Have the exact same experience at another FAANG company in a security org. Endless grind, incredible politics, employees endlessly backstab each other. Great salary, but really nothing else as a positive. Depressing.

Going to be hard going from 500+ back down to 150-200, but I imagine doing something I'm actually passionate about will be worth it.

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Post by gavinray »

zinclozenge wrote: post #256
gavinray wrote: post #214

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You would abandon your company and current position for a slight pay increase? Do you not actually care about the company you work for and you're just there for the pay? You make so much money already -- what is the thought process here Man imagine trying to hire people and knowing they would all leave in a heartbeat for a slight pay increase. What ever happened to working somewhere because you believe in what you're…

Is this a joke? No I don't care about the companies I work for in the slightest. A company is only as good to me as their last paycheck, to paraphrase from The Sopranos.

Why do you work for a company you don't care about, instead of one you do?

Don't you feel hypocritical -- you're supposed to treat others the way you want to be treated.

I assume if you were hiring people, you wouldn't want them to do that to you.

So why do it to others?

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Post by caoilte »

verhaust wrote: post #43
throwanem wrote: post #17

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Find a good recruiter and put a solid profile on LinkedIn. The difference is night and day.

do you have any tips for finding a good recruiter? I've never actually searched for one. I get recruiters contacting me on LinkedIn and they are pretty bad in my opinion. The ones I've followed up with know very little about the job they are hiring for and trying to get useful answers back from them is a giant pain.

Keep searching and hang on to the ones who are funny and genuine. I've failed to get a job with an awesome recruiter and ended up getting placed with them for a different role 12 years later.

None of them know tech but a few of them are smart enough to understand that they don't know tech and to focus on mastering the social market.

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Post by ddek »

the_only_law wrote: post #100

I hate that the market is so great right now because I really can’t take advantage of it. I would love to start the process, to try and get a salary increase anywhere from 30%-100% but unfortunately I’ve stagnated sharply skills wise. Don’t qualify for the jobs I see I think I’d enjoy, and don’t even qualify for the jobs that meet my salary preferences that I’d otherwise dislike. I also would have to be looking at im…

You stagnated because you don't have a job that stretches you.

Even if you think the best you can do is the same job you have right now, but in a different place, you'll see a significant bump. But it's highly likely you can do better than that.

Why not try?

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Post by the_only_law »

gavinray wrote: post #283
zinclozenge wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a joke? No I don't care about the companies I work for in the slightest. A company is only as good to me as their last paycheck, to paraphrase from The Sopranos.

Why do you work for a company you don't care about, instead of one you do? Don't you feel hypocritical -- you're supposed to treat others the way you want to be treated. I assume if you were hiring people, you wouldn't want them to do that to you. So why do it to others?

> Why do you work for a company you don't care about, instead of one you do?

Because they don’t exist?

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Post by dragonwriter »

gavinray wrote: post #214
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #195

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I told myself I'd be fine at 300k. Now I'm there, and I've picked up more hobbies. Doesn't stop me from looking for new gigs, from time to time. Going super deep into optimizing for one thing might be a good short-term, but bad long-term proposition. A lot of getting to 700k, I imagine, is luck. So long as you're competent, it's right place, right time. You can't force that situation to happen, so it's wasted energy…

You would abandon your company and current position for a slight pay increase? Do you not actually care about the company you work for and you're just there for the pay? You make so much money already -- what is the thought process here Man imagine trying to hire people and knowing they would all leave in a heartbeat for a slight pay increase. What ever happened to working somewhere because you believe in what you're…

> What ever happened to working somewhere because you believe in what you're building and the people you're around bring you joy?

Capitalism.

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Post by Tade0 »

dbish wrote: post #4

Even if you think you’re well paid, now is the time to look around. I’ve had a lot of friends, mentees, and coworkers get huge bumps on total compensation even as relatively senior engineers and managers. Pay is jumping and companies aren’t doing a great job keeping that up for their people who have been around for a few years. As an employer, that should be the top worry, keep comp up, don’t lose your people because…

A while ago I switched to a role that was interesting, but involved a decrease in compensation, but not a month had passed and I was included in a company-wide pay increase.

Overall currently I don't hate my job anymore and the salary is slightly better. Best decision I made this year.

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Post by the_only_law »

ddek wrote: post #285
the_only_law wrote: post #100

I hate that the market is so great right now because I really can’t take advantage of it. I would love to start the process, to try and get a salary increase anywhere from 30%-100% but unfortunately I’ve stagnated sharply skills wise. Don’t qualify for the jobs I see I think I’d enjoy, and don’t even qualify for the jobs that meet my salary preferences that I’d otherwise dislike. I also would have to be looking at im…

You stagnated because you don't have a job that stretches you. Even if you think the best you can do is the same job you have right now, but in a different place, you'll see a significant bump. But it's highly likely you can do better than that. Why not try?

> Even if you think the best you can do is the same job you have right now, but in a different place, you'll see a significant bump.

Because I doubt I could get the bump I’m looking for doing the same thing I do now with current restraints

> Why not try?

Time sink, especially with people talking about 4-5 stage interviews. Without some level of confidence I’d rather not use all my PTO or try to schedule hack at the moment.

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Post by zackify »

lostcolony wrote: post #34
throwawaysleep wrote: post #19

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For those of you who have done this, how do you maximise your compensation? Tips appreciated.

Ask for it. Seriously. I interviewed with one company, things went well, I was interested, but they came out of the gate with total comp that was lower than I was looking for. They were looking at a stock grant of X over 4 years. That would have worked, provided that I was basically guaranteed a refresher each year for X (so that by year 4 I'd making X per year in RSUs). I found out that refreshers were usually not f…

I don’t even do a call with the recruiter without listing the salary range or what I want to make. Saves a lot of time.
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