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Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by dbish »

bestcoder69 wrote: post #35
chronic2703 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon is absolutely a red flag on the resume. Many hiring managers (like myself) do not want to import the toxic, backstabbing, PIP culture from Amazon into our org. Also I’ve noticed the quality of Amazon engineers is lower, on average, compared to Google, ByteDance, FB, Stripe, etc. My advice is to work somewhere not-Amazon for a year or two. Then you’ll get more bites.

What's your company? Just to save time for those who might apply if not for this comment?

Yes, would love to know the company. Happy to help steer Amazon engineers away during the current engineer shortage so they don’t waste your recruiters’ time

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by grepfru_it »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #19
dbish wrote: post #4

Even if you think you’re well paid, now is the time to look around. I’ve had a lot of friends, mentees, and coworkers get huge bumps on total compensation even as relatively senior engineers and managers. Pay is jumping and companies aren’t doing a great job keeping that up for their people who have been around for a few years. As an employer, that should be the top worry, keep comp up, don’t lose your people because…

For those of you who have done this, how do you maximise your compensation? Tips appreciated.

1. Look on glassdoor, indeed, whatever site you want to use to find out salary expectations in your role/area

2. When asked, give this number as your desired target, but a lot of times they ask about old pay. if the old pay differs greatly, avoid the topic by pointing out how 'the old job requirements are different, benefits are different, etc. But if they press on this number, tell them, don't lie or completely avoid it

3. Assume the hiring manager has 15% over the offer amount. this amount may also impact your future raises, so it may be better to cap your ask at 10%. but don't be afraid to go ham asking more for starting bonus, longer vacation, golden parachute, etc

4. Good luck!

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by verhaust »

throwanem wrote: post #17
ProjectArcturis wrote: post #10

My personal experience has been quite different. I got a bit burned out on my job and sent in my resume to 10 new places. All remote, some a bit of a stretch, others I was well qualified for. (Data science management and senior DS IC, respectively). I got zero hits. Not a single phone screen. Honestly I was pretty lazy about it, and didn't write cover letters or anything. That might be a contributing factor. That, or…

Find a good recruiter and put a solid profile on LinkedIn. The difference is night and day.

do you have any tips for finding a good recruiter? I've never actually searched for one. I get recruiters contacting me on LinkedIn and they are pretty bad in my opinion. The ones I've followed up with know very little about the job they are hiring for and trying to get useful answers back from them is a giant pain.

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway_45 wrote: post #13
rejectedandsad wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have FAANG on my resume and this is definitely not the case lol. Then again, it’s Amazon which most people regard to have the dumbest engineers so…

It really should be FG. Facebook and google pay way better than any of those other companies.

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Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by MattGaiser »

dilap wrote: post #33
derwiki wrote: post #2

> But now, these technical interviews are often being waived Huh? First I’ve heard of that

Not sure I'd want to work somewhere that didn't do tech interviews (or something equivalent, e.g. project).

Does any site list how various companies interview? I personally find take home projects very interesting, as I usually get to play with a new technology.

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by dbish »

grepfru_it wrote: post #42
throwawaysleep wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those of you who have done this, how do you maximise your compensation? Tips appreciated.

1. Look on glassdoor, indeed, whatever site you want to use to find out salary expectations in your role/area 2. When asked, give this number as your desired target, but a lot of times they ask about old pay. if the old pay differs greatly, avoid the topic by pointing out how 'the old job requirements are different, benefits are different, etc. But if they press on this number, tell them, don't lie or completely avoi…

Don’t use Glassdoor for tech. They are almost always incorrect since they are salary focused. Use levels.fyi which understands total compensation

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by grepLeigh »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #19
dbish wrote: post #4

Even if you think you’re well paid, now is the time to look around. I’ve had a lot of friends, mentees, and coworkers get huge bumps on total compensation even as relatively senior engineers and managers. Pay is jumping and companies aren’t doing a great job keeping that up for their people who have been around for a few years. As an employer, that should be the top worry, keep comp up, don’t lose your people because…

For those of you who have done this, how do you maximise your compensation? Tips appreciated.

https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by vbtemp »

kilroy123 wrote: post #27
vbtemp wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was this a FAANG or FAANG-like company where it's likely you'd have TC of $350K plus, or a sub-FAANG company where your TC would likely be in the $100-200K range?

Lol not at all. It was regular run of the mill startups and small companies. TC like ~$150k-180.

It's interesting to me. When the carrot is TC of $350K+++, sure, anyone is willing to jump through that grinder. But for ordinary run-of-the-mill companies, there are so many that _don't_ have a hazing-like hiring process, I don't know how the ones that do make it.

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by llimos »

y04nn wrote: post #32

Is this situation specific to the US? Has anyone experiences in other countries?

Israel is pretty hot as well now. Lots of approaches landing in my inbox, and they're good ones too. And as in the article - some haven't embraced remote, and I feel like they're losing out.
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