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Re: Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #52
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also because almost every other tech company (Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony, etc.) make their products at the exact same Foxconn factories. Apple just gets the biggest headline.

Cite sources for that claim please.

You can look it up online.

Xbox Series X and S Manufacturer: Flextronics and Foxconn

Nintendo Switch Manufacturer: Foxconn

Sony Manufacturer: PlayStation 5 In-house (my mistake on them). PlayStation 3 and 4 were both made by Foxconn assisting.

But it also applies to others:

Google Pixel 5 Manufacturer: Foxconn

Kindle Manufacturer: Foxconn (Fire Tablets are made in Hong Kong by Quanta due to AOSP Anti-Fork rules)

Nintendo DS Manufacturer: Foxconn

Modern Nokia / HMD Global Devices Manufacturer: Foxconn

Xbox 360 Manufacturer: Foxconn

AMD Threadripper TR4 Socket Manufacturer: Foxconn

And so on. Apple, Foxconn. Because almost everybody uses Foxconn.

So when you see those articles about "Apple factory suicide nets," calling it the whole tech industry's contract manufacturer of choice would have been more apt.

Re: Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

ungamedplayer wrote: post #61
smoldesu wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple probably gets the biggest headline because, of the four companies you listed in total, they're the biggest company.

I'm like 99% sure my Nintendo is made In Japan, or at least thats what it says on the box.

Nope. Nintendo DS was made at Foxconn. Nintendo 3DS was also made at Foxconn. The Wii was made at Foxconn. And Nintendo Switch is made at Foxconn.

Re: Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years

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Post by eric-hu »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #39

Just another point of view here: all of the politics are irrelevant. I don't know anyone, nor does anyone I know know anyone who plays anything Blizzard produces right now. Does Blizzard make any games that people want to play right now? I don't know. According to activeplayer.io[1] Overwatch's average monthly player count has never been higher, but of that demographic, I can't find anyone I know who plays it, so my…

I was a very active Starcraft 2 player up until the Blitzchung controversy in late 2019. For me, Starcraft was and has been the most engaging RTS made, both to watch and play. I still haven’t found a satisfying replacement. RTS as a genre is getting dwarfed but other game types, but it has its niche.

I was engaged enough with the game that I was paying for seasonal War Chests—-essentially skins, to bump the tournament price pools for pros. These war chests had community funding goals that they consistently hit and exceeded for the time I was still tracking the game. After Blitzchung, I decided to just move on from the game.

Re: Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years

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Post by Ericson2314 »

zahrc wrote: post #3

Blizzards reputation has been going downhill since the merge with Activision. Some of my veteran WoW friends returned with the release of classic and TBC classic, but no one stayed for long. Blizzard has been destroying all of their franchises WoW - convoluted imbalanced hot mess Diablo - repetitive. Diablo immortal. Warcraft III - buggy and laggy steaming pile of undelivered promises Overwatch - imbalanced. Overwatc…

I said I once

Boeing : McDonnell Douglas :: Blizzard : Activision

Someone told me which of McDonell or Douglas was to blame in response but I forgot.

Re: Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years

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Post by jlarocco »

zahrc wrote: post #3

Blizzards reputation has been going downhill since the merge with Activision. Some of my veteran WoW friends returned with the release of classic and TBC classic, but no one stayed for long. Blizzard has been destroying all of their franchises WoW - convoluted imbalanced hot mess Diablo - repetitive. Diablo immortal. Warcraft III - buggy and laggy steaming pile of undelivered promises Overwatch - imbalanced. Overwatc…

On the other hand, people have been saying that for decades now.

I was a huge fan of the original Blizzard games, and I remember thinking they were getting off track with StarCraft, and being unhappy that WoW was a MMOG. And don't even ask about Diablo 3.

In a perverse way, it's actually kind of amazing they've been able to milk their franchises for so long.

Re: Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years

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Post by dunnevens »

sdfsadfjaslj wrote: post #38
SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #28

So, firstly, I deplore the behavior that's been exposed recently. I hope the people responsible and their leaders end up getting shut out of the industry, sued and/or criminally charged as appropriate. But I wonder if those hoping aloud that this saga kills off Acti-Blizzard are indulging in wishful thinking. Isn't it likely that this is yet another so-called PR "disaster" that the vast majority of customers won't be…

Anecdotal evidence: I've seen so many posts of WoW players swearing to log off for 1 day in protest of recent events. One whole day. Meanwhile posts of players cancelling their subscriptions are few and far between.

I spend more time at /r/wow than I probably should. Lots of people cancelling. Lots of people uninstalling if they've already unsubbed. Or at least claiming to. It's the internet so who knows if they're telling the truth. But there's lots of noise in that direction.

Hope the people who sometimes do population estimates in WoW will report soon. Would love to know if the actual data matches the noise.

Re: Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years

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Post by alasdair_ »

JustARandomGuy wrote: post #55
exo-pla-net wrote: post #8

I'm not under an illusion that it does any good, but I swore off all Blizzard products after the Blitzchung incident. It doesn't feel right giving money to a company that would side with the CCP over human rights in Hong Kong. I'd previously played Hearthstone and Overwatch, and I'd been a Blizzard fan since the original Warcraft. That happy company is dead, and something ugly is animating its corpse. I think company…

Agreed with all of this. I'm a big fan of Blizzard products, played the original Starcraft when I was younger and still play some of the more recent games. It's blatantly obvious for a long time Blizzard has been sitting on its' laurels and not innovating. The linked article does a great job of pointing out the major Blizzard mistakes, but I'll add one more: Blizzard's storywriting ability has fallen off a cliff. I l…

The writing in WoW nowadays truly is appalling. Playing a horde character, I spent the entire expansion forced to perform actions that made no sense internally and were the opposite of what I would have liked to do.

There is zero player agency and zero empathy. Quests were garbage and made no sense.

I’m a player who has played wow since beta sixteen years ago and I am finally at the point where I am giving up.

Re: Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years

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Post by grp000 »

zouhair wrote: post #26
bragh wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, yes. Blizzard had an unbelievable amount of goodwill and reputation built up over the years and in any case, these kinds of changes do not happen overnight. For me, the first understanding that things are rolling downhill was how they killed the social aspect with the removal of battle.net without any replacement and completely messed up the concept of playing custom maps when StarCraft 2 launched. Longer t…

For me the company lost a lot of my respect when they released Starcraft 2 without LAN support. The game was destined to slowly die.

Not to mention the whole Starcraft BW esports fiasco with KeSPA.

Re: Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years

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Post by username90 »

void_mint wrote: post #35
ctvo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For WoW your reply is a fallacy without addressing the original point. For every other point outside of Overwatch, you justified, agreed or misunderstood the OP and defended its release vs. its current state. You think your edit justified your original reply, where you attack the OP's credibility without addressing any of their points, I disagree.

> For every other point outside of Overwatch, you justified, agreed or misunderstood the OP and defended its release vs. its current state. The points weren't critiques, is what I'm saying. Calling a game a "hot mess" doesn't actually say what's wrong with it. For WoW, as an example, it's inarguable that it's the biggest MMO of all time with a super active playerbase, even now. Saying "Well it's a hot mess" ignores a…

> For WoW, as an example, it's inarguable that it's the biggest MMO of all time with a super active playerbase, even now.

That isn't clear at all that, right now is very different from a month ago. Final fantasy 14 could possibly be larger and if it isn't will very likely dethrone wow as the biggest mmorpg in the near future.

Re: Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years

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Post by arvinsim »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #34
mgh2 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is a master at this. News of its child and slave labor abuses have been brushed off because people love their products.

Also because almost every other tech company (Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony, etc.) make their products at the exact same Foxconn factories. Apple just gets the biggest headline.

I don't see how that absolves Apple.

Apple gets the bigger headline because of their claim to support environmentalism and human rights.

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