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Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by klyrs »

tootahe45 wrote: post #13

Does anybody find it strange how there's never a single post by man in female dominated industry ? Yet i see headlines about 'women in tech', almost every day. And please can we call it IT, not 'tech'. As a dev, 'tech' always sounded as though you were doing things much harder than IT.

Weird take on a news site focused on tech. Posts about other industries are often met with 'why is this here?'

But anyway, is there a female-dominated industry that promises upward mobility that men are clamoring for acceptance in and failing to get it?

And, speak for yourself, I only did IT when I was in high school and now I work in cutting edge technolgy.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by bitwize »

proc0 wrote: post #4

Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that. Not to mention all men have mothers, and they play a huge part in how their children grow up to treat others. To solve a problem, the root cause must be found, and the root cause of harassment is NOT other men. Sure men could help, but articles like this seem to demand it, like they're yelling at men, as a group, for the actions o…

Women as a class are harassed and worse by men because men as a class allow it. They may not even be aware if it -- male privilege affords them that. Men have the moral obligation to get aware of it, and to take action to ensure that the male culture that allows it is ended. This requires cultivation of difficult skills such as shutting up, not mansplaining, and listening to women speaking their truth. And prioritizing the human rights of women over solidarity with their bros.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by takoid »

klyrs wrote: post #21
tootahe45 wrote: post #13

Does anybody find it strange how there's never a single post by man in female dominated industry ? Yet i see headlines about 'women in tech', almost every day. And please can we call it IT, not 'tech'. As a dev, 'tech' always sounded as though you were doing things much harder than IT.

Weird take on a news site focused on tech. Posts about other industries are often met with 'why is this here?' But anyway, is there a female-dominated industry that promises upward mobility that men are clamoring for acceptance in and failing to get it? And, speak for yourself, I only did IT when I was in high school and now I work in cutting edge technolgy.

The cutting edge technology you work in wouldn’t happen to be information related, would it?

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by manicdee »

ekager wrote: post #8
proc0 wrote: post #4

Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that. Not to mention all men have mothers, and they play a huge part in how their children grow up to treat others. To solve a problem, the root cause must be found, and the root cause of harassment is NOT other men. Sure men could help, but articles like this seem to demand it, like they're yelling at men, as a group, for the actions o…

wow! love this groundbreaking take. "it's not men's fault, it's their mom's fault".

Who socialises boys differently to girls?

“Boys will be boys”

“That is just his way of saying he likes you”

etc

It is a societal problem where the vast majority of people give boys a long leash for bad behaviour and then expect men to acquire good habits from somewhere on their own between childhood and adolescence.

It is not men’s fault that they were socialised and habituated by people who tolerated or even encouraged poor behaviour.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by zug_zug »

jessedhillon wrote: post #19

Edit: removed. I should take my own advice.

Sure. I'll give you that it seems a bit cherry-picked. In fact, "Angry all the time" is the last phrase that comes to mind for most of my female colleagues. That said, when I look at the list of asks, they are actually quite tame, they mostly go without saying in my opinion (e.g. "report bad behavior").

But when I read all the comments on this thread I think "Wow. If this set of innocuous requests is generating this response, then that speaks volumes. Who am I to say this type of pent-up bitterness doesn't affect her career?"

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by mthoms »

mc32 wrote: post #14
ARandomerDude wrote: post #6

Here's the problem. Not one of these tips is "work hard and try be a the best at what you do." Instead, she leads with tips on how to be a proactive bridge-burner. Death threats, discrimination, etc. are obviously insane, but a lot of this frustration is self-induced. > Call out bad behavior you see or hear about, even when it’s uncomfortable. > Help to report offenders. > Give credit to and call out great work you s…

The issue here is it's asking women to be activists. Few companies want activists. Most companies want to achieve fairness and equal opportunity, but they also do not like agitators (because one can never have control over agitators, you never can know their next target, so to be safe, most companies tend to not want them around). It's the same conundrum with double agents. You agree with them helping your intelligen…

Substitute race for gender and this argument totally falls apart.

If you see a black colleague being treated unfairly and do nothing because you don't want to be seen as an "agitator" or "activist" then you are part of the problem. Full stop.

The same goes for women.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by [deleted] »

zug_zug wrote: post #27
jessedhillon wrote: post #19

Edit: removed. I should take my own advice.

Sure. I'll give you that it seems a bit cherry-picked. In fact, "Angry all the time" is the last phrase that comes to mind for most of my female colleagues. That said, when I look at the list of asks, they are actually quite tame, they mostly go without saying in my opinion (e.g. "report bad behavior"). But when I read all the comments on this thread I think "Wow. If this set of innocuous requests is generating this…

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Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by Blizz-Blizz »

zug_zug wrote: post #27
jessedhillon wrote: post #19

Edit: removed. I should take my own advice.

Sure. I'll give you that it seems a bit cherry-picked. In fact, "Angry all the time" is the last phrase that comes to mind for most of my female colleagues. That said, when I look at the list of asks, they are actually quite tame, they mostly go without saying in my opinion (e.g. "report bad behavior"). But when I read all the comments on this thread I think "Wow. If this set of innocuous requests is generating this…

This is what I was thinking.

The list of asks amounts to "be a decent person and stick up for folk". This is stuff that should, like you say, go without saying.

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