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Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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It comes from London frequently having money lavished on it that other areas don’t (eg - check public transport [1]) - and usually accompanied with a self-fulfilling prophecy about how other areas don’t generate tax income (which of course is because they don’t have good infra and investment). And this situation has been very much engineered by the UK government over the last 40 years, it isn’t some state of nature.…

I just want to chime in here and agree with this wholeheartedly. There is a lot of self-fulfilment when it comes to London spending vs London generation of revenues. It's famously the case that London props up almost the entire rest of the country. Scotland itself being a net-loss in terms of GDP. I come from a City called Coventry, "investment" in the city is non-existent; the only investor right now is the Universi…

Born and raised in Coventry and still have family there.

Coventry has fought (as I see it) 2 major issues which have held it back.

Firstly as the center of the UK car industry and the Detroit of Britain its economic successes and failures have been tied closely to the ups and downs of UK car production. The collapse of that industry from the 1980s through to the early 2000s resulted in huge numbers of unemployed skilled and semi-skilled manufacturing workers. Manufacturing of that type and scale is not something governments can will into existence (and generally the efforts to do so have been at best non-ideal - see Rover's sale to BMW).

The other issue with Coventry is the well-intentioned but disastrous rebuilding of the city center following its flattening in WWII. The city center remains an uninviting concrete jungle with few non-retail businesses and almost no housing. Though the 1980s the inner core became a no-go area after dark and continues to have a bad reputation. Outside of University housing there is little reason for anyone to live anywhere but the suburbs (or in a neighboring town or city).

I would argue that Coventry does have excellent infrastructure and that is no part of why companies haven't wanted to move there. There are multiple trains per hour to London (and Birmingham) and is served by major motorways to London, Birmingham and Oxford (M6/M45/M69). Compared to most UK cities traffic seems manageable.

The expansion of Coventry University and University of Warwick (which despite its name is located in Coventry) may have been the best possible result for the city. How else could the UK government have spent money in the city to attract the size of employers that the city needs?

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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I was curious about the medals, compositions, and materials costs so here's what I found. The dimensions of the medals are specified as a minimum of 60mm diameter by 3mm thick. For a cylinder, that's 8.482 cm^3 volume per medal, minimum. The 2020 Olympics has 339 events, each with a gold, silver, and bronze medal. Market price I found for gold as of this post is $58.56/g and silver is $0.82/g. Gold has a density of 1…

> The dimensions of the medals are specified as a minimum of ...

Do they specify maximums? That could get hilarious.

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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I was curious about the medals, compositions, and materials costs so here's what I found. The dimensions of the medals are specified as a minimum of 60mm diameter by 3mm thick. For a cylinder, that's 8.482 cm^3 volume per medal, minimum. The 2020 Olympics has 339 events, each with a gold, silver, and bronze medal. Market price I found for gold as of this post is $58.56/g and silver is $0.82/g. Gold has a density of 1…

The Tokyo medals are around 500g each, so while those are nice estimates for the minimum dimensions, if the Tokyo golds were of the same weight and heft they have been made (and also 100% base metal) then you’d be looking at around $15m USD just for the golds

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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> Every Olympics held in the United States has been profitable for the host city (and all but one in Canada) in large part because the infrastructure already exists. Do you have a source? From https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/economics-hosting-olympic-g... > As a result, in 1979 Los Angeles was the only city to bid for the 1984 Summer Olympics, allowing it to negotiate exceptionally favorable terms with the Internati…

Atlanta 1996 turned a profit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Summer_Olympics

Atlanta 96 was a great case study in this. Atlanta built a ton of infrastructure that continues to serve the city well. Many of the venues built in downtown and especially on the Georgia Tech campus went on to be very productive and useful. Georgia Tech has a world-class gym and still uses some of the olympic village as dorms as part of that legacy. There is one big exception - a massive tennis center built out in the suburbs. It was too far outside the city, never got much use and was demolished in 2018. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain_Tennis_Center

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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Japan could have just said no to the Olympics, not paid the fine and told the IOC exactly where to put the contract. Hosting the games ends up costing the host countries more money anyway so if IOC skips over them in the future...so what? E: this assumes the fine isn't already in escrow

That could have led to Japan being banned from the Olympics until the fine is paid.

Couldn’t they just compete anyways as the “Japanese Olympic Committee?”

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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The point is the symbolic gesture. This doesn't help with any environmental goals.

It does, because precious metals mining is environmentally intensive, and by recovering some from trashed electronics instead you're having to do a little bit less mining. It's something like 31 tonnes of ore must be processed per ounce of gold yielded. That's a lot of energy, fuel, caustic chemicals, and polluting mine tailings.

Lots of resources are also used when mining trashed electronics for gold.

Which "lots" is worse? I don't know, and neither do you.

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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As a retrocomputing enthusiast, I find this horrifying. I imagine the beautiful Sony NEWS, Sharp MZ’s, NEC PCs, Epson QX’s and so many other amazing machines that were crushed in order to make decorations.

Yes, tragic. Imagine celebrating the pinnacle of human athleticism and physical achievement at the cost of obsolete tech toys!

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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I can't help but think this olympics will go into the history books with an asterisk. That probably has something to do with Biles stepping down. It just feels weird.

Simon Biles will go down as a hero. Admitting you don't feel well is huge. Her honesty will save countless people. She is my new hero. I probally shouldn't have said "hero". We all don't like word, or label. I just admire her on a lot of levels. Crippling anxiety pretty much ruined me life.

Really? I view her as a coward. A hero doesn't run away from the battle because they feel bad. These athletes are meant to be the best of us, representing our countries to the world. Do you want your country to be associated with quitting, mental illness, etc?

I'm sure she made the best decision for herself, but that's quite the opposite of heroic. She let down a lot of people. Heroic is fighting through the problems and doing what you need to do despite that adversity, not giving into it and going home.

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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Japan could have just said no to the Olympics, not paid the fine and told the IOC exactly where to put the contract. Hosting the games ends up costing the host countries more money anyway so if IOC skips over them in the future...so what? E: this assumes the fine isn't already in escrow

That could have led to Japan being banned from the Olympics until the fine is paid.

Could have, but this would have been a really bad look for the Olympic Committee, and it's very possible they would have preferred to waive the fine.

Beyond a certain point, fines become a game of political chicken.

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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As a retrocomputing enthusiast, I find this horrifying. I imagine the beautiful Sony NEWS, Sharp MZ’s, NEC PCs, Epson QX’s and so many other amazing machines that were crushed in order to make decorations.

Yes, tragic. Imagine celebrating the pinnacle of human athleticism and physical achievement at the cost of obsolete tech toys!

Let’s burn some books then and turn the CO2 released into diamonds for celebrating something else.
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